Clip becomes black whenever any graphic is place above it

[knbstewart]

I have multiple clips in a project that become black whenever any graphic is placed overtop of them. They do not go black if another video clips are placed above at different opacity only text. Can't find anything unique / different about the footage. Text has no fill / background enabled. Footage is 1920x1080 prores 422 from a Canon 60D dslr.

Is this a bug anyone has come across? 

Troubleshooting steps taken with no result:

-new sequences

-new project files

-closing & reopening projects

-opening projects / sequences in premiere beta

-reimporting footage

-enabling / disabling clips 

-nesting footage before adding graphics

Working in premiere 25.1.0 on a 2021 Macbook Pro M1 MAX 32gb Ram 24 core GPU

[jamieclarke]

Hi @knbstewart -  Thanks for submitting your bug report. We need a few more details to try to help with the issue.
Please see, How do I write a bug report?

It looks like you are trying to add the text over an area that has been rendered.  Can you try selecting the menu bar under Sequence and click "Delete Render Files".   Are you adding the text over a nest?
Sorry for the frustration.

[knbstewart]

hi @jamieclarke apologies thought I had provided the necesscary info. TBH in looking over the how do I write a bug report guidelines I'm not sure what info is missing that you need? I'll post in the outlined format for clarity:

Issue - clip becomes black whenever any graphic is put overtop
Steps to reproduce - my clip is on video track 1. Whenever I try to add any graphic overtop it becomes black for exactly the duration of the graphic.
Expected result - the text should appear overtop of the clip, not render the clip on video track 1 completely black 
Actual result - the clip beneath the graphic becomes totally black with only the graphic visible (see screen recording from original post)
Adobe Premiere Pro version - 25.1.0
Operating system - macOS 14.7.3 
Video format - prores422 1920x1080 mov 24fps

To answer your questions:

-deleting the render files in the area has no effect, the issue persists

-the clip is nested. When I take the underlaying clip out of the nest, placing graphics overtop does not make the clip black, seemingly fixing the issue, HOWEVER: I need to nest the clip in order to apply certain effects to it. Why would text render a nested clip totally black and not an unnested clip? This appears to be the bug. Let me know if I need to repost/rephrase my original post to be about this specifically.

[jamieclarke]

Hi @knbstewart - I am unable to reproduce your issue, all information on your setup is helpful.  You mention that you have effects on your nested sequence.  Which effects do you have?  If you remove the effects is the text still black?  Are there any effects on the clips inside the nest?

[Ann Bens]

Try resetting preferences by holding down alt when opening Premiere.

[Stan Jones]

@Ann Bens, that was my thought, but the graphic/text appears to be created by typing with the text tool, and I don't see how that could be opaque. Even if the background was enabled, it would only make the text box opaque.

I'm wondering about an effect that is looking at V3?

@knbstewart, If you go into the nested sequence, and add the text tool text there, does it block the underlying clip?

Stan

[knbstewart]

thanks for the replies!

@jamieclarke I'm stabilizing a clip with warp stabilizer, then nesting it to make a speed/retime adjustment (this isn't possible without nesting). 

Not to info dump, but to break it down:

-I have 'Clip 1', which I apply a stabilization to and then nest creating 'Nest 1'

-I apply a retime to 'Nest 1' so it is slower & has a longer duration

-Now I started experiencing a seperate issue, not part of this ticket, but whenever I attempt to automate opacity on 'Nest 1' I was getting strange behaivour (the opacity changes not matching where the automation keyframes were, etc) the only solution I found was to nest Nest 1, creating an additional nest: Nest 2. All opacity changes behaved as expected when applied to Nest 2.

-Now this issue where the graphic renders the underlying footage totally black, started appearing with Nest 2

I understand I could possibly avoid this graphic issue by removing some of my effects/nests but this feels like I'm not doing anything too irregular with the footage and there's no reason text should make an underlying clip black regardless of the amount of nesting going on below? To me this seems like a bug and not a user doing anything that would 'break' expected behaivour with premiere's text tool.

@Stan Jones yes if I go within Nest 2, applying graphics overtop Nest 1, the issue does not present itself. Maybe this is helpful for troubleshooting, but I'll caveat this isnt a fix for me as I need the text to appear overtop all the nesting if that makes sense. 

[jamieclarke]

Hi @knbstewart - Can you try what Ann has suggested and hold down "Shift" while launching Premiere and check the boxes
"Reset app preferences" (Backup Preferences first)
"Clear media cache files"

[Stan Jones]

@knbstewart,

> I'll caveat this isnt a fix for me as I need the text to appear overtop all the nesting if that makes sense. 

Right; just a test.

Export that small section just to see if there is some rendering issue.

And if not okay, I'd go the next step and create nest 3 and put the text over that?

Yes, it seems like there should be a better workflow, but stablizing and then retiming and then xyz can be a reasonable way to avoid other issues.

Intuitively, I'm suspicious of the opacity animation and an "opacity" issue.

Stan

[knbstewart]

@jamieclarke unfortunately "Reset app preferences" (Backup Preferences first) & "Clear media cache files" both did not solve the issue. 

@Stan Jones & @jamieclarke - new screen recording here if useful. One thing I was mistaken on is at what level of nesting the issue occurs. You'll see in the screen recording:

-I try and add graphics over Nest 2: the issue appears

-I enter Nest 2 into a sequence with Nest 1 & try to apply a graphic, the issue does actually appear at this level as well (so my opacity animation comment can be ignored). The graphic makes the video below black not only for the duration of the graphic but for all of the video before it in the sequence as well? Seems very odd. I wonder if the bug has something to do with the -100% retime on this nested clip?

-I enter Nest 1 into the sequence with the raw, original clip where you can see graphics work as expected:

[jamieclarke]

Hi @knbstewart - can you email the project to jamiec@adobe.com 

[jamieclarke]

Hi @knbstewart - I have logged this bug.  I will let you know when I hear more information on what is happening.  Thank you for your patience, it seems there is a problem when you have reverse speed set for a nested clip.  

[jamieclarke]

Updating Status to Acknowledged