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HDR Graphics White nits value changes my video levels

Participant ,
May 18, 2023 May 18, 2023

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Everything and everyone says this setting is only supposed to be for Graphics, however changing the value then changes the video levels in my monitor, on the scopes, and on my Blackmagic Decklink output.

 

https://youtu.be/meafmMwLAZg

 

Here is an example video,

 

I spoke with Matt Christensen in the Adobe booth at NAB and he indicated this should not be happening. This is my video proof.

 

Is there some setting or something i need to change that is causing this?

 

thanks

 

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Adobe Employee , May 19, 2023 May 19, 2023

HDR graphics white can be a very confusing parameter.  Despite the name, it has no control over graphics.  It controls the scaling of video levels when converting between color spaces.  The nit value (100, 203, 300) refers to how bright a white card should be in an HDR scene.  Imagine putting Rec709 into an HDR sequence. In the Rec709 scene, you are shooting a white card, and it's exposed all the way to 100% IRE (100 nits). PPro will automatically do a colorspace conversion, but we need to know

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Adobe Employee ,
May 19, 2023 May 19, 2023

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HDR graphics white can be a very confusing parameter.  Despite the name, it has no control over graphics.  It controls the scaling of video levels when converting between color spaces.  The nit value (100, 203, 300) refers to how bright a white card should be in an HDR scene.  Imagine putting Rec709 into an HDR sequence. In the Rec709 scene, you are shooting a white card, and it's exposed all the way to 100% IRE (100 nits). PPro will automatically do a colorspace conversion, but we need to know how bright the result should be.   Graphics white says to scale the values such that the white card lands at 203 nits in the HDR sequence (or 100, 300).  203 is generally the industry standard.  203 is 75% of the signal in HLG.  You wouldn't want to scale 100% in Rec709 to 100% in the HDR scene because it would be far too bright.  The setting gets its name from the industry recommendation that pure white graphics like subtitles or end credits should land at a specific nit value - generally 203.  But our graphics tools are not affected by this value.  It's up to you to set the level properly for graphics.

 

There is a lot more detail here: adobe.ly/hdr

 

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May 22, 2023 May 22, 2023

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Thank you for your detailed response, And thank you VERY MUCH for the pdf guide. I had seen something similar in the past online, but this document is far more elaborate!

 

 

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Adobe Employee ,
May 22, 2023 May 22, 2023

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happy to help @digitlman !

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May 05, 2024 May 05, 2024

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But our graphics tools are not affected by this value.  It's up to you to set the level properly for graphics.

 

Hi @Francis-Crossman If this is the case, why are my graphics/texts/titles getting darkened when I export a video? My sequences are either PG or HLG, and if draw a white (#FFFFFF) box or text using and adjust it 1000 nits, it exports as 100 nits gray. This happens whatever graphics white level I have set (100/203/300) for the project and during export. If my working profile is HLG, I export to HLG, and if it's PQ, I export to PQ (tested with and without HDR10 metadata). 

My video footage exports fine. It's just the graphic elements that change. If the max brightness of a video clip is 1000 nits, it will be 1000 nits after export.

 

My export settings are: HEVC (H.265), Max Depth, Max Render Quality, Hardware Encoding (for HLG only), Profile: Main 10, Level: 5.1, Tier: High, Color Space: Rec. 2100 HLG or PG. Tested with both HDR10 Metadata on and off and set appropriately.

 

Any help would be great. Thank you!

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