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C200 RAW CRM editing REALLY slow

Community Beginner ,
Nov 21, 2018 Nov 21, 2018

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I have a possibly serious problem on my hands:

My main client has moved heavily into shooting on the C200 and editing with its resulting CRM files. They say CRM edits just fine off of external SSDs on their (Mac) systems. However, when I try to work with these files on my main system, it's a nightmare even off of my internal M.2 SSD with 3GB/s read speeds. Playback is a choppy, slow slog and so is all editing / effects work / coloring. My machine eats up any other 4K format just fine so far, but CRM is a no-go at the moment.

To top it off, Premiere can't seem to create proxies for CRM footage and the Canon Cinema RAW developer utility creates just unusably large DPX files (and is way too slow). ProRes is of course out of reach on Windows. The client wants to have a streamlined workflow (not creating redundant ProRes on their Macs) as they have no problems with CRM, and who could blame them.

My system is this:
Win 10 Pro 64bit

Intel i7-6850K @ 3.6GHz

64GB RAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

Samsung SSD 960 EVO (for the CRM files)

I would expect to be able to play CRM files on a timeline without any effects and at 1/4 resolution?

Any help, anyone?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 21, 2018 Nov 21, 2018

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Hi,

Your hardware specs seems to be OK; similar to my machine.

I have had good experiences editing CRM files from C200 in CC2018. Have not had a chance to use them in CC2019.

Can you see if it works in CC2018?

Let me know if this works.

Richard

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 21, 2018 Nov 21, 2018

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Thanks for the speedy reply and sorry, should have specified: I'm still on CC 2018.

I've been too busy to risk upsetting the apple cart by installing anything new.

I guess I'll try 2019 then, now that you've reminded me of the obvious - not holding my breath but what have I got to lose at this point?

Edit:

Well, I installed CC 2019, created a fresh new project, imported two CRM clips and created a sequence from one of them.
The same deal - incredibly choppy playback at 1/16(!) resolution.

Edit 2:

I also installed the free version of Resolve, and with what little I could do with it, it seemed to almost completely eradicate the problem: almost flawless playback at full resolution, with some quick color correction applied. So as far as processing power is concerned, my rig can easily handle it, as expected.

Something in Premiere / its interaction with my system seems to be messed up.

Edit 3:
Well, CC 2019 did bring with it the ability to create proxies out of the CRM files. I think my existing version of Media Encoder had some problem with it, but now it seems I can create DNxHD-proxies and based on a quick test they work smoothly as ever. Takes a couple of hours, but at least this would get me back to editing instead of gnashing teeth.

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Advocate ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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4K canon raw is definitely pretty meaty to edit with - I’ve had to transcode to DNx Proxies .

What spec is their edit station that can edit natively?

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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They use 2017 Macbook Pros for pre-editing stuff, so you can see my problem. I'm supposed to have a decent workstation here, but if it can't keep up with their laptops, this is not good.

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 07, 2019 Feb 07, 2019

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This seems to be a dead horse, but I'll just add this:

My client recently updated their Macbook to CC 2019 and immediately suffered severe slowdown in Premiere's CRM performance. Everything was going swimmingly for them and after the update, BOOM, Premiere ran like oatmeal. This is not so great, I have to say.

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

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EditingBear,

It's a verified bug in Windows only (Mac it's fine). Very sorry about this. We are working on a fix.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Explorer ,
Jul 01, 2019 Jul 01, 2019

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any updates on this bug or any work around.

I tested it  on my 2003 mac book pro and  it faster than on my brand new 2019  razer blade  with 2080 max

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New Here ,
Aug 04, 2019 Aug 04, 2019

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so whats the most effective sequence settings to work with the CRM files??

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 14, 2020 Jan 14, 2020

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Did this ever get fixed? I'm running a 9980xe a gtx 2080ti m.2 ssd and 32gbs of ram. Very annoying that I can't edit the footage I shot because of slow speeds. How should I work around this?

 

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New Here ,
Mar 11, 2020 Mar 11, 2020

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I would love to know of a solution to this as well. I get wayyy better performance using raw RED files at the same resolution, Canon CRM runs like sewer trash.

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Advocate ,
Mar 11, 2020 Mar 11, 2020

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I rented a C500 Mark II last weekend which produces similar RAW Light files.  I don't know if they're 100% identical to what comes from the C200, but I suspect they're close.  On my monster Mac Pro (2019) with the 16-core Xeon, the simple act of trying to play the footage sent all cores to 100%.  Playback was basically impossible.

 

I don't know if the same thing is happening on your rig; you might want to watch your system's CPU load while you're trying to play the files.  Does your rig go right to 100% on all cores?  If so, uh... game over.

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Jul 09, 2020 Jul 09, 2020

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Hi Jason,

same here: playing back C300 Mk3 CRMs sends all of the CPU cores to 100%. Fun fact: the GPU does not take any work on my system.

When editing the CRMs with Davinci Resolve, there is no problem: GPU and CPU both take a part of the rendering work and the playback is smooth.

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Jul 09, 2020 Jul 09, 2020

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Yep, I know about the playback and editing ease with ... "other" NLEs.  It's one of the main reasons I've let my CC sub lapse and am no longer editing in Pr.

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New Here ,
Dec 04, 2020 Dec 04, 2020

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Hi,

It has been more than 1 year since you wrote that you are working on a fix. No update yet?

I tried to cut videos on my current rig, but even with 1/4 it is hardly possible to work with it.

Please provide a solution or workaround as soon as possible.

 

Best,

Daniel

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New Here ,
Apr 06, 2021 Apr 06, 2021

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Hi Kevin,

Hope you're well! Can you tell me if this is still a bug in CC2021 on Windows? CRM still seems to be grinding PP to a halt.. Canon's Cinema Raw Development tool is still able to playback easily.

Thanks!

Cal

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New Here ,
Dec 04, 2020 Dec 04, 2020

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Why does Adobe not get their s*** together. I am paying them 60$ a month and I am not able to edit my Canon CRM Footage. I am switching to Davinci Resolve in the future just bought the Studio Version.

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