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Color issues with the new M1 MacBook Pro

Community Beginner ,
Jan 11, 2021 Jan 11, 2021

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I can not for the life of me figure out why my rendered videos look so much different then what I am color grading in adobe. I have never had this issue and unless I missed it, I haven't seen many people talking about this which is making me think maybe it has something to do with running on the translated version via M1?

 

The exported version is a regular .265 export, same settings I have used for years... Is there something major I am just missing or oblivous to? I appreciate the advice in advance, thanks. 

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Jan 11, 2021 Jan 11, 2021

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Try importing the export in PP and compare/view it there. Are you seeing the same issue

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 11, 2021 Jan 11, 2021

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I just saw this note when looking for PP hardware requirements.

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Premiere Pro 14.7 supports macOS 11.0 (Big Sur) on Intel CPUs. Native support for Apple M1 CPUs is not yet available but you can run Premiere Pro in Rosetta 2 emulation mode on Apple M1 devices. For more information, see Do Adobe apps work on Apple computers that use the M1 chip?

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Jan 11, 2021 Jan 11, 2021

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The funny thing is that in runs GREAT as in fast and it crashes less then my windows desktop. 

 

That was a great suggestion, I imported the rendered clip like you mentioned and to my surprise it looked exactly the same as the project in adobe primere! The color difference was gone! So it's as if the colors I am seeing in adobe primere are not true.... hummm What's going on here. 

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Cool, glad you can see that. Actually it's PP that is displaying them correctly. Quicktime or some other players display them typically with modified gamma and other undesireable qualities. Same with YouTube. You can only make yours as good and close to color standards and then whoever views them, in hundreds of different ways and various hardware/software, etc will see it as they can also.

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Weird becuase I never experienced this before, videos always pretty much looked the same in adobe primere as youtube/playing from desktop. How do I fix/make up for this new found issue because it looks awesome in adobe and I look like a purple dead ghost in the render lol. 

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Jan 11, 2021 Jan 11, 2021

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There is a beta version of Premiere Pro for the M1 Mac available. I would try that if i had a M1 Mac. It is available via the Creative Cloud app.

 

More info: DISCUSS: Premiere Pro on Apple Silicon M1

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thank you will for sure try this, the M1 Lightroom is fire

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 05, 2021 Nov 05, 2021

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I tried the beta version but ran into the same issue. also tried exporting directly from PP as compared to Media Encorder but still the same. Have tried all sorts of different settings. Going to try to move the files to a different computer and see what happens.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 05, 2021 Nov 05, 2021

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Kevin,

 

First, there are new color management options in PrPro that are confusing to many users. Both for media in the bin in the Project panel and also for Sequence Settings for timelines. Check those to make sure they are correct for the project you are in.

 

Next, the Mac OS has the house-built ColorSync color management app. That app was for some odd reason designed to mis-apply the Rec.709 pro broadcast standards. It's a total mess, I work daily with a ton of pro colorists who are royally ticked about it. They're of course mostly Mac based.

 

What Colorsync does wrong, is it leaves out the required display referred transform of Rec.709/Bt.1886, and also for some weird reason applies a gamma of 1.96 rather than the 2.4 specified for all Rec.709 setups.

 

Between the two, a proper Rec.709 file will appear a little low in saturation, and the shadows will be lifted giving a "low contrast" look to the file. It's not that the file is wrong ... it's that the display of the file is wrong.

 

And there's not really a way around it. BlackMagic has Resolve offer a "Rec.709-A" export option which gives the file a different NLC tagging. Which they realized ColorSync will then see and actually apply correct Rec.709 standards to.

 

Unfortunately, that tagging means that on full-on Rec.709 systems ... and many PCs and Android devices ... the file will be interpreted too dark and over-saturated. Right.

 

On most systems and especially Macs, users should have the PrPro Preferences option of "display color management" option turned on.

 

Now, one further thing ... no one ever sees exactly what a pro colorist sees on their highly calibrated kit. They can't even perfectly match two screens in-suite. They can visually come close. But as soon as you take that file on other kit in other viewing environments, the image will be different. Some subtle things, some actually pretty major.

 

So that's the first thing anyone exporting media for other viewers needs to understand. The "out there" is a Wild Place ... and you have no control whatever. Every screen will show your media differently, and no one will ever see the exact same image you do.

 

Neil

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Nov 08, 2021 Nov 08, 2021

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Thanks for this explanation, it's super helpful. I've heard of the issue but never internalized it until now. I read a few more articles about the issue and how to adjust, the one I liked the most can be found below. Sounds like the main recommendation is to add an adjustment layer and increase contrast & saturation slightly. Mac gamma adjustment LUT is apparently only good if the video is only going to be viewed on a Mac. What a mess.

 

https://dominey.blog/2021/01/24/why-are-videos-washed-out-on-the-mac-exploring-quicktime-gamma-shift...

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Nov 08, 2021 Nov 08, 2021

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That's actually a very good article. And his main solution choices are spot-on:

  • Do nothing, and realize that on a Mac your image will be a bit light and undersaturated, while everywhere else it's fine;
  • Modify so it looks good on a Mac, and realize elsewhere it will be too dark and over-saturated;
  • Modify a little bit so it's in-between: maybe still a little light and lower-saturated on a Mac, but not as much as the first option; and maybe a bit dark and over-saturated on everything else, but not as bad as the second option.

 

And that Firefox and VLC ignore the Mac ColorSync, so you can see the non-Mac version in them, the Mac verision in QuickTime, Chrome & Safari.

 

Good article.

 

And yea, like he says ... it's a mess created by Apple making a couple odd choices.

 

Neil

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Nov 05, 2021 Nov 05, 2021

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I'm noticing the exact same thing and I can't figure it out either

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