Forums for older versions, i.e. Pro 5? Effects not working/going missing

[phasmatrope]

Hello, I'm pretty new here so I apologize in advance if I've missed my answer to this question, I tried searching the forums for "Pro 5" without any results. Whatever the case, I'm using an older, pre-subscription version of PP (not a fan of the subscription model) for a personal "for fun" project I'm working on, basically to get a grasp of the software, how it differs from Avid, etc. While I'm sure that there are other older Premiere users who feel the same way that I do, I haven't been able to find any good forums dedicated specifically to troubleshooting older versions; if you Google an issue, you only tend to get answers for the latest version.

Basically I'm just working from older footage (Bluray/DVD for a fan edit, which is why it doesn't matter as much if my software's not quite up-to-date/it not being able to handle the latest resolution, codecs etc), trying to apply some effects to the footage (like Noise and Grain) but when I drag them onto the footage, nothing seems to happen (added to that, after trying to add those effects, now I'm no longer seeing them listed under the Effects tab).

Anyway I'd give more info on my platform (again, V 5.0.0) and OS, I'm just not sure if I'd quite call this a bug so much as me just trying to see if there's a specific subforum dedicated to older versions of the software.

Thanks!    

[Ann Bens · Accepted solution]

Pro 5 as in Premiere Pro CS5?

You can put your question here in this forum (there is no other forum for older software).

Older footage, as in ripped from disk? Post clip properties and sequence settings.

Effects just don't just disappear from the Effects Panel. Noise and grain is the name of the folder.

Beware the noise effect is the only GPU accelerated effect.

[phasmatrope]

Hello Ann! Thanks a ton for your reply... and bummer that there's no forum for the older software, as I'm sure Premiere has changed a lot since CS5/v5.0, the one I'm using. 

Anyway by older, I mean a rip of a Bluray I received... an MP4, 1920x1080 resolution (labeled as 2160p x265, 10bit, although admittedly I'm not entirely sure what that x264 or 10bit means, I assume the former means H.264). It took awhile to import into this older version of Premiere/I was getting the “beach ball” for a good 15 mins and wasn’t sure if it was going to work, but the file seems to be playing fine, video and audio is good when I dropped it into a sequence. The only thing that DIDN’T seem to be working at first were the title cards…. Basically what I’m doing is creating a silent film fan edit where I put alternate music over the soundtrack and (for lack of having a version of the soundtrack without the music) use title cards to summarize the dialogue/VO, whatever’s not clear from the action… like you’d see on a D.W. Griffin film basically. These when I created them (in Preview, I’m not super knowledgable in graphic design/Photoshop) came out to 3300x2550 in resolution, and although you could see them in the Source Monitor, you couldn’t see them once you dropped them into the sequence, so I had to shrink them down to closer to the original file’s size using Encoder.

Anyway, back to the silent film part, and where I’m at: what I’m trying to do is replicate their look/motion… the sort of sepia tone, faster speed (which seems to be easy in Speed/Duration, although I’d like it to be a bit more choppy), and like we said, noise/grain.

But as far as I understand it, you’re supposed to just drag these effects out of the Effects window/tab and drop them onto the footage, but unless I was supposed to render them, I’m not seeing ANY change.

When I try dropping them on another Video track (like the one above), I just get the White Hand with the Crossed Circle below it, indicating that you can’t place them.

And on top of that, like I mentioned, unless I’m now looking in the wrong place, I’m just not seeing the Noise option… the folders under effects are now:

-Presets

-Audio Effects

-Audio Transitions

-Video Effects

-Video Transitions,

….and under Video Effects, I just see:

-Adjust (w/ ProcAmp),

-Blur & Sharpen (w/ Gaussian Blur which I hear is related to Noise/Grain),

-Color Correction (w/ Fast Color, Luma, RGB Color, & 3-Way Color Corrector plus Luma Curve, RGB Curves & Video Limiter),

-Keying (Eight- , Four-, & 16-Point Garbage Mattes & Track Matte Key),

-Transform (w/ Horizontal Flip)

So what am I missing? Where might it be/have gone? Because at this point, I’m pretty much at the EXTREMELY early stages of this project, as in, if I can’t get the look I’m after, I may just have to switch over to another NLE altogether (most likely Resolve since I wouldn’t have to buy it; I realize that it’d be easier to navigate all this on the latest version of Premiere, just don’t want to be paying Adobe monthly fees right now for something I’m doing for fun/to learn).

Thanks, and help!!

[phasmatrope]

Sorry, D.W. *Griffith (is there not an Edit option on here??)

[phasmatrope]

Sorry to bump, but it's been a day or so (and I accidentally clicked "Correct Answer" when I was trying to edit one my own, thinking that meant EDIT Answer-- I don't know if there's an edit option here that I missed-- so I hope that didn't mark this as resolved). Still looking for answers.

Anyone have any idea why the Noise effect might not be visible??

[Ann Bens]

Yes you are missing a lot of effects.

Might need to reinstall and/or reset preferences.

[phasmatrope]

Thank you again for replying, Ann... well, still not sure how/why this may have happened, but when I quit the program and restarted, they were there again.... there was the Noise & Grain folder, with Dust & Scratches, Noise, Noise Alpha etc, basically several of the effects I was looking for.

The trick now is figuring out how to get these to work/see what they look like, since I already wasn't able to do so before the effects disappeared? For example, I tried dropping Noise, and just dropped Dust & Scratches onto the video track. There's suddenly a Purple line through it, but I don't see any visual difference.

So to be clear, am I supposed to Render the effect before I can see what it looks like?

I know that rendering takes time, and the raw footage for this movie I'm editing down is over 2.5 hours, so no idea how long that's going to take (and of course, I don't want to render an effect, have it take forever, then not be pleased with the results/want to tweak things... although I'm not seeing the option of adjusting the effect). 

I guess the option would be to do the edit first THEN render, I just wanted to check that Premiere was able to achieve the look I'm going for before I edit. I guess the best thing to do would be to just trim and render a sample clip?? 

Also, ideally I'd like to be able to add a Sepia tone and choppy motion, but am not sure of what folder/Effect I'd want to look under for those; again, this is the trick of working from an older version of the program because Googling generally only pulls up how to do something in the latest version...).

[Ann Bens]

Post screenshot of clip in MediaInfo in treeview.

Also post comp specs.

CS5 might not be able to handle the clip properly: most likely needs to convert to an edit friendly codec before bringing it into Premiere.

Sepia is a color you need to make yourself.

You can sample the color matte in this screenshot which happens to be from CS5.5.

[Ann Bens]

Old look:

[phasmatrope]

Thanks for clarifying re: the sepia, that's a bummer. I guess the one other thing to figure out after that is if there are any plug-ins or options of how to make the motion a bit choppier, since speeding the footage up (like the silent films I'm trying to emulate used to appear) simply makes it look faster.

Anyway, this is indeed an older computer, a 2009 2.54 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3, running OS 10.8.5.

I initially worried if the computer could run the Bluray footage, so far it seems to be able to; MP4 container using H264 seems to be a fairly common file type (I know the 2 times I tried importing MKVs they both caused Premiere to crash).

If I need to convert the footage in order to get the effects to appear, I guess that's an option, but worst case if this older computer/version of Premiere can't handle this, I may be forced to use my newer 2019 laptop and edit this in Resolve. 

[Ann Bens]

In all honesty, I would not waist my time on an old program (12 years) with an underpowered machine for editing H.264

[phasmatrope]

Hello again and sorry for the delayed reply: unfortunately I didn't get around to testing the file using Mediainfo. Well the file seems to play fine-- when I said older, I meant compared to like 4K - 8K video, I'm doing this all in online quality-- but I do value your opinion... it's certainly not an ideal setup. Although I would like to get some practice in Premiere, even in its most recent incarnations, I'm not sure, ARE there any effects that give the motion a choppy, silent film type of look?? Because simply speeding things up isn't quite the same.

Regardless, I guess the only option if I wanted to continue using this older version 5 would be to use it to do the basic edit, then export the completed project/import it to another/newer NLE and apply the speed, grain/noise, speed effects... which might be more trouble than it's worth (especially because establishing the speed in advance would be crucial for knowing if I've left enough time to even read the title cards).

Anyway, would love to hear more of your thoughts, but failing a newer/easier to find sepia/grain/silent film mode on the latest version of Premiere, it looks like I may have to make do with Resolve on my newer computer for now... 

[jhon361724241x4o]

Consider joining user communities or forums dedicated to older versions of Premiere Pro for tailored troubleshooting assistance. Additionally, ensure compatibility with your operating system and explore alternative effects if needed