Lumetri "Show Mask" option yields a black screen

[edanrogo]

Hi, after selecting a color with the eye dropper and clicking "show mask" on HSL Secondary I get a blank screen independently if I chose Color/Gray, Color/Black or White/Black from the Mask drop down menu. Could you please help? Premiere Pro 15.4.0 (Build 47) running on a Mac Mini (M1, 2020) with macOS Big Sur v11.5. Thanks!

[Mike Dziennik]

If you click and drag the handles on the H,S,L selection bars, does anything change? It would appear completely black if there were no colours in your shot with that combo of Hue,Sat,Lum.

[edanrogo]

Thanks for your prompt response, Mike. That actually worked. As I moved the HSL selection bars the image started to reapear, but that made me realize the issue is the eye dropper. No matter what part of the screen I made my selection (either with the "set color" or "add color" eye dropper) it creates that HSL combo that makes the screen look blank. Any thoughts? 

[Mike Dziennik]

Do you have any other effects stacked on your clip? Does the selection appear to match what you have clicked on with the 'Set color' eyedropper? Ie. Choose a highly saturated blue on your screen; does the grey bar on the Hue slider appear above the blue area of the spectrum? And the right-hand side of the Saturation bar?

[edanrogo]

Hi Mike, thanks for helping me out with this. No matter what color or area of the screen I select with the eyedropper it always shows the same combo for HSL (the one that makes the screen look black when you select "show mask"). The eyedropper for WB Selector in Basic Correction works fine, but all the other eyedropers in Lumetri are not responsive. Same thing, no matter where I click on the screen with the eyedropper I get the same slection (please see attachements). The eyedroppers used to work fine under rosetta2 with the previous version of Premiere I had (before the M1 compatible version). Looking forward to your thoughts.

 

 

  

  

[Mike Dziennik]

Interesting.

First thing I would do is trash your prefs.

https://helpx.adobe.com/mena_en/premiere-pro/user-guide.html/mena_en/premiere-pro/using/reset-prefer... 

If you go to your System Preferences>Security & Privacy... is Premiere listed under the 'Screen Recording' section? I doubt this is the issue, since you say the WB eyedropper works.

[edanrogo]

I checked the Privacy/Screen Recoriding setting and Premiere is listed. Also trashed prefs and still, eyedroppers don't respond in Lumetri (except for the WB one). Thanks Mike.

[Mike Dziennik]

Are you using any LUTs on the clip? Either in the same Lumetri instance or a separate one? What format is the media?

[edanrogo]

Hi Mike, no LUTs. Just a basic color correction. Media is BRAW @23.974fps 6144x3456 (1.0). Thanks!

[Mike Dziennik]

Ah, what camera/firmware version?

Are you using the Blackmagic RAW plugin? Version?

I know @R Neil Haugen was familiar with the current status of BRAW compatibility. You might want to check this thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/braw-not-supported-anymore-in-premiere-pro/m-p/12165543 

[edanrogo]

I don't know the camera details, but I'm using the 2.1 Blackmagic RAW plugin which according to Blackmagic is fully compatible with M1 Macs. Thanks for the link, Mike, but I have no issues accessing the BRAW files. Everything BRAW file related is working fine. Also, it's weird that the WB eyedropper works and not the others in Lumetri. Looks to me more like a Premiere/Lumetri issue than the BRAW plugin.

[R Neil Haugen]

Are you using the Lumertri from the Effects Control Panel (ECP)? You can of course ... but the difference between there and using the Lumetri panel is any time the playhead stops over a clip, it is 'selected' ... and any touch of a Lumetri control auto-applies that effect to the clip. So you don't ever need to "apply" the Lumetri effect to a clip from the Effects panel.

So it's a speed thing ... simply faster to work from the Lumetri panel.

That said ... yes, I use a LOT of BRAW, though I've not updated to the new firmware yet on my BMPCC4K. Now that supposedly they have most of the bugs out of the update I will soon. At first release, that new gen5 firmware screwed up many lenses for auto-focus plus made focus peaking so 'mild' you couldn't really see it.

As to using BRAW within PrPro ... the BlackMagic plugin is apparently still worth about what you paid for it ... zero. A lot of users have troubles off & on with it. I did, constantly, so I bought the Autokroma plugin for BRAW. Not much money, and it just WORKS. Always.

Plus their support is fantastic. One of their staffers even comes on here giving help to BM plugin users on how to get the BM plugin to actually work. Even on their site, they have the best support papers for working with the BM BRAW plugin in PrPro you'll find.

I can't replicate this issue, but then there's two big things could be involved there. I'm not on an M1, and those do have some things different than other coding. Second, I'm on the Autokroma plugin.

Neil

[edanrogo]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for the advice. I've been using the Lumetri from the effects control, but I just tried the Lumetri Panel and that didn't work either--eyedroppers still not responsive. But I'll definitely give it a shot as, like you smentioned, the Lumetri panel is more efficient! I also tried exporting an Apple ProRess clip and the appliying the Lumetri to it and even with the Apple codec the eyedroppers didn't work. I don't think it's a BRAW issue. I've heard wonders about the Autokroma plugin and I'm just waiting for them to release the silicon compatible version to get it. Thanks for that recommendation as well! Do you know of any way I could send this Lumetri eyedropper glitch I'm encountering with the latest version of Premiere and the M1 Mac to Adobe, so they can look into it? It might be something they could fix on the next release. They stopped working on version on version 15.4.0. They were working fine before under Rosetta2. Thanks so much Neil and Mike for your help!

[R Neil Haugen]

I wonder if @mattchristensen  or @Trent Happel  could pop in?

Neil

[Mike Dziennik]

@edanrogo It might also help if you can post a screen-recording of the issue. If there is a bug, it will help to pin it down if we can see see exactly where you're clicking, in what order etc.

[edanrogo]

That's a great idea Mike! I'll try to get you guys a screen recording on my lunch break. Thanks!

[edanrogo]

Hi Mike and Neil,

Here's a screen capture. I hope this helps. Thanks!

[video]

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi,

Sorry for this. I happen to have the same machine but secondary color correction is working just fine for me. I would try different footage to see if you are experiencing the same issue.

Thanks,
Kevin

[edanrogo]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks so much for your response. That is so weird! It's happening with other footage/projects. I just stumbled upon a workaround where if I dissable the curves setting on Lumetri then I can use the eyedroppers for the HSL Secondary no problem (please see attached screen recordning). So it is ok now, but it's still pretty odd since it was working fine before the latest update.

[video]

[Mike Dziennik]

Ah, so you have also adjusted something in the curves section (which is evident by the picture change when you disable the curves section). What parameters did you adjust in the curves? Can you screengrab/record? Have you adjusted anything else before trying the Secondaries section?

[edanrogo]

Hi Mike,

I adjusted a few things on the Basic Correction window as well as RGB Cruves, but just simple things. Thanks.

[Mike Dziennik]

I presume you havent touched anything under the 'Hue Saturation Curves' dropdown?

If you remove then apply a fresh Lumetri effect, don't touch anything, then try the secondaries..does it work?

Then if you make a simple adjustment to 'Basic Correction'..does it still work?

Then make a simple s-curve on 'RGB Curves'...now secondaries eyedropper doesn't work? Is this the case?

[edanrogo]

Hi Mike,

You're 100% correct. I haven't touched anything on the hue saturation curves menu (please see attachtment.) Also, I folowed step-by-step the adjustment sequence you proposed and that's exactly how the issue comes to be. The HSL eyedropper works fine until I make a s-curve on the RGB curves. Once I do that the HSL eyedroper becomes unresponsive. Thanks.

[R Neil Haugen]

That is just bizarre ... and I can't replicate it here. I tried with say global fx mute on, everything I can think of.

Is it doing this on other projects and/or with other media?

Neil

[edanrogo]

Hi Neil,

Thanks so much for trying to figure this odd glitch. As I metioned to Kevin above, it's happening with other footage/projects. I just stumbled upon a workaround where if I dissable the curves setting on Lumetri then I can use the eyedroppers for the HSL Secondary no problem (please see attached screen recordning). So it is ok now, but it's still pretty weird since it was working fine before the latest update.

[video]