MXF baked LUT color problems - Filter Offline (Sony RAW MXF Source Settings)

Community Beginner ,
Nov 27, 2021 Nov 27, 2021

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I'm editing a video with Sony Venice .MXF footage and for some reason I don't see the master effect drop down menu that allows you to choose a log other than rec 709 LUT.

 

I also can't modify - interpret footage and color override.

 

Not sure if it's because i'm using the new Macbook Pro 2021 16inch (specs attached) and updated my software but let me know if there is a way to troubleshoot.

 

The drop down "Sony RAW MXF Source settings" works perfectly fine on my older computer so truly confused why it says it's offline on my new laptop.

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Nov 27, 2021 Nov 27, 2021

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They've changed a LOT of the color managment practices in the new 2022 version. I've got a FAQ I put together after working with a lot of clips from various other users here and my own media, I would recommend going through this ...

 

FAQ: PremierePro 2022 Color Managment for Log/RAW Media

 

Check the clip in the bin, as that is a main place for handling this from now on. Select one or more clips, right-click/Modify/Interpret Footage.

 

At the bottom there will be color management settings, and I would guess that is where they've gone for your media.

 

Another option is when a clip is on a timeline, going to the Effects Control Panel (ECP) and checking the Source tab. For say BRAW, RED, and most Arri media, that is where the full panel of settings for that format "live".

 

The Sony Venice may have a panel there also. And ... just to add ... not that I'm drooling about you're having Venice media to work or anything like that ...  😉

 

Neil

 

 

 

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Nov 27, 2021 Nov 27, 2021

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Unfortunately I've tried those things. As you can see in the screenshot attached - it says the filter is offline which is strange. 

I've been dealing with Arri and Sony footage for awhile now.

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The new rig is an M1, I'm wondering if that's it. The old one ain't, right?

 

There are a couple glitches with M1s I think. I'll try and get an answer for this ...

 

@mattchristensen  ... are you free? We need an answer for this puzzlement.

 

Neil

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That's a 3rd party filter from Sony, isn't it?  If so, it needs to be installed when you configure a new workstation.

 

If you don't find it here, reach out to Sony Profeessional Support:

Software & Downloads - Sony Pro

 

 

 

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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I have just run into the same exact problem, so here I am.
Working with the latest versions of Pr 22 and Sony MXF footage, but moved to a new 2021 MacBook Pro 16" mid project (from an older iMac Pro).

 

The source effects says 'offline' just like yours, and the Lumetri color effects I originally adde to grade the footage (that live on the clip itself) make it look over saturated and blown out. There is no change when I turn the offline source effect on or off.  Also modify>interpert footage has the color management section greyed out.

 

Looks like I will be re-color grading all the shots from scratch.  

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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Follow up... Also what makes this weird, is that even though the filter that says it is offline when you're looking at the source clip. And even when you make sure it is off - it is still doing something. My sony footage should actually be flat as flar can be, but it is only showing me a verion where the colors are somewhat blown out. 

 

I may need to go back to the old iMac Pro to render this project out.

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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It sounds like it's treating this like some other Sony and Panny media ... misreading the log-encoded clip as being HLG/HDR ... and still not giving the clip the color management options in the Modify/Interpret Footage box.

 

Worst of both worlds ... improper treatment of media, AND won't allow CM options to get it treated properly.

 

This is acknowedged by the engineers, some month or two back. And we're awaitin a fix.

 

Neil

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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Interesting, Thanks! 

I hope the engineers find this helpful then...
I've attached comparison screen shots from the iMac Pro and the new 2021 MacBookPro. Both running the same version of Premiere. While I can solve this problem by jumping to the oler iMac Pro to color, many others will not be able to, and to me this means to me that coloring Sony's s-log footage is not possible on the new MacBookPros, because the footage is stuck with some baked-in log color management thrown on there that can't be disabled. 

I forgot that my OS we're not the same, but I don't think that is the issue here. 

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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@Drew5FEF 

 

On the M1, have you tried launching Premiere Pro using Rosetta?

 

 

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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This is the way. 
Thank you, this worked for me, and now the effect is there and working on the source footage!
Are the trade off's to working in Premiere via Rosetta that it makes Premiere slower on the M1 MacBook Pro? 

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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Yes, it'll be slower.

Grey bars are using Rosetta.  Red bars are not.  Shorter is better.Grey bars are using Rosetta. Red bars are not. Shorter is better.

 

 

On the off chance you're wokring with clips using the GoPro Cineform CODEC, you'll still be able to work with them using Rosetta.  Also, if you happened to need to capture DV or HDV tapes, you'll still be able to do that using Rosetta.

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Mar 02, 2022 Mar 02, 2022

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It isn't a baked-in log, it's more simpler ... color management misbehavior on the part of 2022 Premiere. It isn't supposed to be doing this, but ... is. A bug.

 

And nothing to do with any LUT or anything like that. Which is what everyone seems to assume.

 

Remember, ALL HDR is log-encoded, and some SDR/Rec.709 is log-encoded. Premiere is at this time mis-handling some SDR log-encoded media, displaying it as if it is an HLG clip, a form of HDR.

 

Neil

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May 06, 2022 May 06, 2022

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I recently ran into this same issue and after scratching my head a bit and trying running premiere in Intel mode (as suggested in the replies - which did work!) I also found in M1 PP2022, while the source tab in the Effect Controls panel is sadly empty, what you can do is find your footage in the Project panel, right click on it, and instead of going Modify>Interpret Footage... as you would with ARRI footage, click on Source Settings... For me this brings up a window allowing me to select the colour space for the footage. Hope this helps someone else.

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