Round Tripping an exported image from Premiere to Photoshop and back without brightness shift

[paulsvi]

When I export a jpeg from premiere and edit it in Photoshop and then reimport into Premiere, the exposure matches perfectly (either 709 or sRGB). BUT, when I edit it in Photoshop and save it as a layered PSD, the image comes back into Premiere slightly darker (see attached image, you can see the mask I created on the bottom half). It is not a monitor issue as I keep reading. It is either an export from Photoshop or import back to Premiere that only affects PSDs and not Jpegs.  Does anybody have an answer other than crushing my Premiere to match Photoshop?

[kglad]

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[PaulSnead]

Thanks.  I'm new to posting on forums. It was the act of pureist desperation to have posed the question at all.

[jane-e]

@PaulSnead  And @paulsvi 

Are you the same person with two Adobe IDs or are we talking to two people?

Jane

[paulsvi]

Yes. I can’t get my former employee off my account.


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[jane-e]

@paulsvi 

Okay, thanks for letting us know!

It sounds like it might possibly be a color management issue. I'm not an expert, but I read the posts in the Photoshop forum.

Jane

[PaulSnead]

I'm sure that's what it is, I can't find the right combination of settings to make it work.

[R Neil Haugen]

Premiere uses the standard video Rec.709 settings, based on the sRGB color space, but with the addition of Bt.1886 so it expects the image was prepped with a screen display transform of roughly gamma 2.4.

Some users do fine with only using sRGB for exports from Photoshop. it's been long enough for me, I've forgotten if Photoshop has a Rec.709 option. If so, I would suggest using that.

[PaulSnead]

I have the option of exporting from Premiere with sRGB or 709. Unfortunately, I can't find a way to save out of photoshop in any way but sRGB and when I do, I get the contrast shift.  Thanks for the suggestion, though

[R Neil Haugen]

The contrast shift is a bit darker in the shadows and low mids, right? Which would be from the display of the image in Premiere using the full Rec.709 standard.

What do those Photoshop sRGB images look like in Premiere if you set Premiere's display gamma settings to web/2.2?

[MyerPj]

Hey Neil, like most of your posts I have to try things out! 🙂 I learn alot.

In PS under "Image\Mode" I was about to try CMYK and I got this message:

So I stopped and checked out "Color Settings..." on the edit tab, and there were a bunch of options there, the image I had showing when I did that went very contrasty

Here's some of the choices

[R Neil Haugen]

Rec.709 PQ is a wide color space in an SDR standard dynamic (tonal) range file. Not a common thing, if possible.

It would be better to work Rec.709 with sRGB color space if at all possible.

[MyerPj]

It looks like now I've changed something in PS, and I get this warning when I load a different picture.

[MyerPj]

Are you actually 'export[ing] a jpeg from premiere' rather than just using the jpg from your files? Maybe start with a PSD? I would try it for you, but your workflow is not clear to me.

[paulsvi]

I’m in premiere. I export a jpeg in the exporter. I open in photoshop and do an edit on a duplicate layer of the still to to create a mask. Then save the psd file in photoshop. When I import either the original layer or the edited layer, they come in a couple percent darker. In avid this is a mismatch with 709. In premiere, I can’t explain it.


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[Abambo]

A flattened Photoshop file works as expected?

[PaulSnead]

No. When I export a jpeg from Premiere and save it back out as a photoshop psd (untouched) and import it back, its black is washed out a few IRE. The jpeg roundtrip continues to be fine.

[PaulSnead]

correction, a few IRE darker

[rachelcenter]

i'm having a similar issue. did you find a solution? https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/how-to-roundtrip-from-premiere-to-photoshop-...

[jane-e]

i'm having a similar issue. did you find a solution?
https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/how-to-roundtrip-from-premiere-to-photoshop-...

By @rachelcenter

You posted a solution 20 minutes later in the thread you linked to here. Does that work for you?

Jane

[rachelcenter]

yup:  dont use the export frame button (the icon of the camera). Go to the actual export dialogue window. And choose jpg, then under “export color space” make sure it says rec.709 and not RGB. export that jpg out of premiere. dont drag the jpg into photoshop. Open photoshop and press “new”, and MAKE SURE YOU CHOOSE “Rec 709 gamma 2.4” as the color profile