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Round Tripping an exported image from Premiere to Photoshop and back without brightness shift

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Jan 10, 2024 Jan 10, 2024

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When I export a jpeg from premiere and edit it in Photoshop and then reimport into Premiere, the exposure matches perfectly (either 709 or sRGB). BUT, when I edit it in Photoshop and save it as a layered PSD, the image comes back into Premiere slightly darker (see attached image, you can see the mask I created on the bottom half). It is not a monitor issue as I keep reading. It is either an export from Photoshop or import back to Premiere that only affects PSDs and not Jpegs.  Does anybody have an answer other than crushing my Premiere to match Photoshop?

Paul Snead
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Jan 10, 2024 Jan 10, 2024

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in the future, to find the best place to post your message, use the list here, https://community.adobe.com/

p.s. i don't think the adobe website, and forums in particular, are easy to navigate, so don't spend a lot of time searching that forum list. do your best and we'll move the post (like this one has already been moved) if it helps you get responses.



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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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Thanks.  I'm new to posting on forums. It was the act of pureist desperation to have posed the question at all.

 

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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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@PaulSnead  And @paulsvi 

 

Are you the same person with two Adobe IDs or are we talking to two people?

 

Jane

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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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Yes. I can’t get my former employee off my account.


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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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@paulsvi 

 

Okay, thanks for letting us know!

 

It sounds like it might possibly be a color management issue. I'm not an expert, but I read the posts in the Photoshop forum.

 

Jane

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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I'm sure that's what it is, I can't find the right combination of settings to make it work.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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Premiere uses the standard video Rec.709 settings, based on the sRGB color space, but with the addition of Bt.1886 so it expects the image was prepped with a screen display transform of roughly gamma 2.4.

 

Some users do fine with only using sRGB for exports from Photoshop. it's been long enough for me, I've forgotten if Photoshop has a Rec.709 option. If so, I would suggest using that.

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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I have the option of exporting from Premiere with sRGB or 709. Unfortunately, I can't find a way to save out of photoshop in any way but sRGB and when I do, I get the contrast shift.  Thanks for the suggestion, though

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LEGEND ,
Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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The contrast shift is a bit darker in the shadows and low mids, right? Which would be from the display of the image in Premiere using the full Rec.709 standard.

 

What do those Photoshop sRGB images look like in Premiere if you set Premiere's display gamma settings to web/2.2?

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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Hey Neil, like most of your posts I have to try things out! 🙂 I learn alot.

In PS under "Image\Mode" I was about to try CMYK and I got this message:

MyerPj_0-1705438381018.png

 

So I stopped and checked out "Color Settings..." on the edit tab, and there were a bunch of options there, the image I had showing when I did that went very contrasty

MyerPj_1-1705438527281.png

 

Here's some of the choices

MyerPj_2-1705438584295.png

 

 

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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Rec.709 PQ is a wide color space in an SDR standard dynamic (tonal) range file. Not a common thing, if possible.

 

It would be better to work Rec.709 with sRGB color space if at all possible.

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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It looks like now I've changed something in PS, and I get this warning when I load a different picture.

 

MyerPj_0-1705440113364.png

 

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Jan 10, 2024 Jan 10, 2024

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Are you actually 'export[ing] a jpeg from premiere' rather than just using the jpg from your files? Maybe start with a PSD? I would try it for you, but your workflow is not clear to me.

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I’m in premiere. I export a jpeg in the exporter. I open in photoshop and do an edit on a duplicate layer of the still to to create a mask. Then save the psd file in photoshop. When I import either the original layer or the edited layer, they come in a couple percent darker. In avid this is a mismatch with 709. In premiere, I can’t explain it.


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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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A flattened Photoshop file works as expected?

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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No. When I export a jpeg from Premiere and save it back out as a photoshop psd (untouched) and import it back, its black is washed out a few IRE. The jpeg roundtrip continues to be fine.

 

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Jan 16, 2024 Jan 16, 2024

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correction, a few IRE darker

 

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