'Source' panel stealing focus, when switching to source effect controls in 'Effects Controls' panel

[HeyBishop]

Since upgrading to 23.0.0 (build 63), I've encountered a problem whenever I want to manipulate the source effects controls of a clip in the Effects Controls panel. This problem is a little difficult to describe because the word "source" gets used a lot. (In previous versions it used to be distastefully called "master".)  

In the Effects Controls panel, there are two tabs. One for the clip's effects controls (where Motion and Opacity reside), to the left of that is the source (formerly master) effects controls. Now, when I click on the 'source' effects controls, the Source Panel steals focus - which then requires an additional click to manually switch back to the Effects Control Panel. 

Please watch the attached video which demonstrates my issue.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but I don't like it.

How can we fix this?

This is particularly difficult, as this is how I do tons of text effects with After Effects compositions in Premiere.

[HeyBishop]

Update: Issue still present with version 23.1.0 (Build 86).

[R Neil Haugen]

I'm not sure why you're using the Source tab for that ... Pr isn't like Ae, in Pr, for most work, one really should be working text effects via the EGP.

So it would be nice to get a better detailed explanation of your process there.

Neil

[HeyBishop]

I don't think there's anything else to explain. I do my graphics work in AE setting it up for use in Pr, and then in Pr I change the text as needed. This has been my workflow for years and years now. Now, all of a sudden there's a bug adding an extra click.

[R Neil Haugen]

But I've never used the Source tab for those things. I've never heard of anyone using the Source tab for that stuff.

Which is why I asked, it seems odd to make the extra click to open the Source settings.

Neil

[HeyBishop]

Knowing what I know about coding, I wonder if it's a bug related to changing the name to 'source' in lieu of  the colonial language that carries bad implications (I'm seeing this effort in all sorts of industries, and I applaud it). But now there are two items in Pr that use the word 'source'. Maybe it should be called "parent" or "root" or something like that.

[R Neil Haugen]

"Source" refers to items in essentially the Project panel, and the non-sequence state of the media. One uses the Source tab to set "universal" properties for assets, that will be applied to every instance of that clip used anywhere in the project.

Ergo Source monitor, Source tab in the ECP ... they relate to that Project-panel state of the media. Still curious about controlling text properties via the Source tab though, just 'cause I love to hear about different workflows.

Neil

[Stan Jones]

In PR 2020, it was still called "Master," so in the Effects controls we see "Master - <Clip name>" and "<Sequence name> - <Clip name>". And now it is "Source - <Clip name>" and "<Sequence name> - <Clip name>". Which all makes sense to me.

In PR2020, I cannot create the "click on Effect Control - Source tab and it goes to the actual Source Panel" problem. In PR 2023.1, it immediately made the jump. Unlike yesterday, all the additional clicking I did created no additional example of the problem.

Note that in PR2020, I also saw the quick flash of the actual clip (as if it was activating the Source Panel), but it ended in the correct place - the source tab of the effect controls panel.

Stan

[Stan Jones]

PR 23.1.0. Win 10. Tested a regular mp4 clip; not AE related.

Sometimes it works as you say - that would be frustrating - sometimes "correctly."

But when it works correctly, just after I click the source tab in the Effects control panel, I see a quick flash of the source footage.

Not using source effects, so that tab is empty.

Stan