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video files imported/exported to/from PR pro 2024 overexposed/over saturated

New Here ,
Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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Hi everyone, I'm new here, just move up from 2020 to 2024 version, and I'm encountered this problem (don't know if it is a bug or not) where my files (.MOV from Iphone and slog from Sony A6400) that imported to Premiere got over saturated and over exposed. I tried to research some post on Community about this problem to figure it because the Color management is on. So I turn the Color management off, the file in editing interface matched the “original source” but when I export it, the color's oversaturated again. 

 

So far, I've turned on/off the Display Color management in the Lumetri color setting, tried to turn my Working color space from 709 to 2100, turn on Auto tune map media and detect log video, use the Gamma compensation LUT. Tried all these solutions from other discussion post about this same issue.

 

So my question is, how do I change the color setting of PR to match the original color of the source files since I prefer that color and export my project with that? 

 

In a nutshell: I have files (want to keep this color) -> import to premiere (oversaturated with Color management on but look like original with CM off) -> export (still oversaturated) 

 

Thanks for reading!

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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Everything needs to be the same in tone mapping: from clip, sequence setting to export

Color management in Premiere Pro

Tone mapping in Premiere Pro

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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Hi, I've read this two articles and change my settings as well. Managed how to get the color to match the source but when I export the video still get over saturated. Could you be more specific about export setting so I can understand why did my export preview and exported video's not matched?

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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What color space is the export?

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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It look like this, pardon my inexperienced in this but I cant seem to change the color space

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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Hi, I recorded the issue with my Nvidia, hope you guys can help, thanks

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Aug 25, 2024 Aug 25, 2024

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Color management in Pr 2024 is far more extensive, and in a differnt place, than any earlier version.

 

So coming 'up' to the 24.x builds is going to take a learning period, but short.

 

And the next version, Pr 2025/ 25.x builds, is far more complex and capable than the current Pr 24.x builds. You can see this in the public beta builds, which you can and should install alongside the 24.x builds, and get used to the differences.

 

Setting up iPhone media in Pr 24.x using the Color Workspace/Lumetri panel SETTINGS tab, the one NAMED Settings:

  • "Twirl down" every arrow to open every section of the Color Management tab.
  • Display Color Management should be on.
  • auto detect log should be on.
  • Sequence should still be using Rec.709 for the VAST majority of things, as HDR is the Wild Wild West and isn't consistent across devices (worse than SDR ...)
  • Export presets must NOT include either HLG or PQ in the export name. The presets with those will use those wider dynamic range and color gamut spaces.
  • Viewer Gamma is your choice, and is ... a puzzlement. But it does not include any encoding change to exports, this only changes the viewing/display gamma of Premiere's Program Monitor.

 

That last one is not even as well understood by most users as the things above. Which is saying something. 

 

Viewer gamma is set by the brightness of your room while grading for "normal" work.

 

All professional media for broadcast and streaming is graded in a fairly dark, though not quite totally black room environment. With the display gamma essentially 2.4.

 

Apple Macs without Reference Modes use an odd display gamma, creating ANOTHER problem.

 

The top two above statements are two things nearly all editor type users miss when setting viewer gamma. The third one is a pain for basically everyone whether on a Mac or not.

 

So ... if you are 'grading' in a darkened room, use Viewer gamma 2.4/broadcast for normal SDR/Rec.709 workflows. For viewing outside of Premiere, use VLC or PotPlayer, and do not use or rely on QuickTime Player on a Mac without Reference modes.

 

If you are grading in a normally lit, fairly bright room, use Viewer Gamma 2.2/web. Because it is your grading environment, that should be the deciding factor for viewing gamma.

 

The Apple Problem

 

For some reason, Apple chose to set the Colorsync color management utility to use the Rec.709 specified camera transform, essentially gamma 1.96, for use as the display transform!

 

All non-Mac screens use gamma 2.4 for the display transform for Rec.709 video files.

 

Yea, that's a problem. And ... Macs with Reference modes set to HDTV also use a display transform of gamma 2.4.

 

So on Macs without reference modes, the shadows are a bit too light on all Rec.709 video files, including anything you watch in QuickTime Player, Chrome, and Safari.

 

You will notice this when you use Premiere set to 2.2 or 2.4, and export, viewing the file outside Premiere in QuickTime Player.

 

However, VLC and Potplayer will display the file similar to within Premiere.

 

So ... do you wanna grade for only Macs without reference modes? Use gamma 1.96 and be happy.

 

For everyone else on the planet? If in a bright room, use gamma 2.2. If in a dark room, use gamma 2.4 And be happy.

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