Adobe PP make these changes and I will dump Avid for ever!!!

[WontYouPleaseHelpMe]

Do these two things and I will never use Avid Media Composer again - seriously

I must say Adobe PP is on a march to greatness but if you make these two changes you will get the entire video editing community to us PP.  I am really looking forward to the day I no longer use Avid Media Composer. 

1. Trim mode Adobe might be stuck in an earlier time. As an Editor of long form TV and television I must say categorically with no hestitation trim mode in Adobe PP is awful (been using Adobe PP for 10 years) and seems not to evolved since it statrted its life. That is the basic notion of how it works. The two NLEs share the same basic tools, slip , slide etc but Avids ability to lasso multiple cuts and put trim rollers where ever one wants is so monsterously superior to Adobe PP s methodology and FCP for that matter. I have used both Adobe and Avid extensively for years for TV and film and Avid knocks trim mode out of the park. The great and powerful Adobe PP is perfect for a 30 second commercial or a tiktok video and short form. Look to Avid for ideas. Please friends on this forum try Avids trim tools before you respond here. If you do LONG form TV or movies please comment here about your thoughts on Premiere Pros trim mode.

2. Multiple Editors sharing sequences etc on the same project. A simple task which is uneccessarily complicated in Adobe PP is sharing a sequence with another user on another system. The provisal here is that both or multiple parties have the same media. If I want to send a sequence of a TV show cut for example to another editor on Prem Pro I have to creat a new project with all the media relations associated with that sequence for an unneccessary humungous large thing. This then has to remain open as a additional tab by the other editor. In Avid this is done so simply by plopping the sequence in another bin and simply sending this little tiny bin to the other party, by email maybe a few k in size, who simply plops this bin in any project which links up as long as they also have the same media. Adobe PPs method is so cumbersome.

To summarize adobe PP is on an ascending path to the stars. If you want to become truely great in my opinion fix your trim mode and sharing issues and I will toss may Avid Media Composer to the curb. Maybe you could buy Avid Media Composer with petty cash. Please do these changes. Please note before you comment here check out Avids trim tools. Let's try to keep this thread clear of serial commentors. I would love to here from Adobe Premiere Pro Editors who do long for TV and film and Adobe developers. In these two areas I have outlined Avid beats Adobe handily. If you can match them you are golden. Cheers and love to all. Go Team. The fure is Adobe. Note: love the auto color, remix, noise reduction etc etc all great tools that are poping up as I use the beat PP.

[mattchristensen]

Good news – Premiere Pro can work how you described for #2 using the Productions workflow. A production is a folder of as many .prproj files as you like that behave more like one cohesive unit, similar to an Avid project with bins. You can set up your production and then clone it to someone else (or work on a single network server or cloud share) and then share .prproj back and forth with only the sequence in them. The receiving editor can then drop that project into their production, open it, and pull the new sequence out without making duplicate clips.

The Best Practices and Workflow Guide for Longform and Episodic Post Production has a whole chapter (Chapter 6) on Productions if you want documentation-level information. See page 74 for more on the specific workflow of two editors sharing projects back and forth like bins.

http://adobe.ly/PremiereProGuide

[WontYouPleaseHelpMe]

If I understand you correctly the two or more users must have aproximately the same project and this can be cumbersome.The Avid version is so much more lightweight possibly. Do i have to copy and replace the whole project every time I add something regardless of how small it is? How do I add just a sequence without replacing the whole project? 

[WontYouPleaseHelpMe]

So each time I want to share I open a new project make a sequence for example and then send just the new project . I thine put this sequence in my original project and the other person does the same. We than delete the empty project? Sorry I haven't read the pdf yet.

[R Neil Haugen]

I use Productions both 'locally' and over the 'net with a partner in Cape Town. I'm in Oregon.

Our media and projects live on an Amazon S3 server in London, with "transport services" via LucidLink. So you can't get more 'remote' working than that!

We work the same Production at the same time. It's slick and quick and nearly magical. You do need decent internet speeds, like above 240 Mbps. If that's an issue, you can "pin" files so they're downloaded to a local machine.

No, you don't exchange projects. You  simply open and work in them as always. Assets that one is using are temporarily 'locked' for other users of the Production, then opened as soon as the user closes them.

All changes automatically update to everyone.

[mattchristensen]

@WontYouPleaseHelpMe Yes, it pretty much works like that. If you know how Avid projects work then you can apply that to a Production in Premiere Pro. The key thing is that only one person should be importing new media. Say that 50 new clips come in, Person A should import them into a new project in the production, like "Day 3 media.prproj". Then they send that project to Person B along with the media and Person B puts the media in an identical path and puts Day 3 media.prproj into the same spot in the Production and now both Person A and B can cut freely with that media.

For sharing sequences, Person A can make a new empty project in the Production, call it "Cut v7 to Person B.prproj" and copy their v7 cut into that project. Then over email or some other method, send "Cut v7 to Person B.prproj" to Person B. Person B uses the "Add project to production" command to import the project to their production, and they open up that project (think of it like a bin) and they see just that v7 edit. They can then drag it to their other projects in the production or leave it there, do whatever with it.

[mattchristensen]

To clarify @R Neil Haugen's point – Productions was designed to be used on a single "source of truth" like a server in a post house. You can also use it on something like LucidLink which pretends to be a shared server in the cloud mounted to your system. In this case there is no exchanging of bins/projects back and forth because both of you are looking at the same Production.

If you do want to do the exchanging of bins that I describe, that works too, but it's different in that you are each working on your own copy of the Production and it takes a bit more coordination. But it's a common workflow and is fully supported. See page 74 for details on this decentralized sharing of projects method.

[WontYouPleaseHelpMe]

Can me and another editor or editors use productions and store media locally, periodically sending each other any missing media to keep our drives identical. I want to do productions but without a shared or cloud storage? Thanks 

[R Neil Haugen]

That is possible with great attention to detail, but not necessarily easy.