Can I apply a video effect to a track?

Community Beginner ,
Jul 11, 2010 Jul 11, 2010

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I just came over from Sony Vegas Pro 9 (which kicks —, but has bad native support for DSLR files).

In Vegas you can apply effects to video in three ways:

1. A whole clip in the project media bin (automatically applying such effects to all timeline events using this clip).

2. Individual timeline events.

3. Entire video tracks (automatically applying such effects to every clip on the track).

Is this possible in Premiere CS5? I find it hard to believe that it's not possible since it is such a useful thing to do. For example, what if you have a bunch of footage that you want to look grainy but you don't want to apply the same effect to every timeline event from the clips because it is time consuming and creates many sources of change if you want to tweak the effect settings?

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Adobe Community Professional , Mar 16, 2017 Mar 16, 2017
MIght want to look at Adjustment layers.You can put that over an entire track or just part of.

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Community Beginner ,
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Note: I just realized that it's possible to achieve #1 by putting the clip into a new sequence and applying the effect in that sequence, then use the sequence in the main sequence instead of using the souce clip. I haven't tried it, but it seems reasonable. Still doesn't solve #3.

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LEGEND ,
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#3 is easy.

Use Track Select Tool > Select the track with it (from the first clip)> Drag an effect onto it.  (All clips get the same Effect.)

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Community Beginner ,
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Track Select Tool? I don't understand what you're referring to. Remember, I'm new in Premiere. Also, does this method dynamically link one copy of the effects to all events on the track, or does it create an individual copy of the effects to each event?

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Community Beginner ,
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Nevermind, I figured out what you were talking about. Unfortunately it creates a copy of the effect on each individual event, which is not what #3 describes.

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Explorer ,
Apr 07, 2014 Apr 07, 2014

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RE the first question. Press A to use the track select tool: http://www.mediacollege.com/adobe/premiere/pro/tool/track-select.html

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LEGEND ,
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The problem with that method (at least in CS4) is that you still have to adjust each effect on every single clip individually.  With the nesting method, you adjust one effect that applies to all clips.

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LEGEND ,
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You achieve #3 the same way.  Nest your edit sequence into a new one.

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Community Beginner ,
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Jim,

The problem with nesting a whole track is that it makes it MUCH more difficult to edit when mixed with other footage that isn't nested with it. Let's say I want to tweak some in/out points between the nested events and the non-nested ones. Ugh. Of course, at this point I'm thinking theoretically rather than talking about a real-world project, so maybe it's not as a big a deal as I think. Maybe doing #1 will eliminate most of the need to do #3.

I just don't understand why Adobe would add audio track effects capability but not video track effects.

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LEGEND ,
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3. Entire video tracks (automatically applying such effects to every clip on the track).

This is what you wanted to do.

I suggested using the track select tool.

Create your effect on one clip eg Noise at 53%.

Save it as a Preset.

Select the track  (Track select tool)

Drag the preset onto the selection.

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Community Beginner ,
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shooternz,

I appreciate the helpful answer, but it doesn't achieve what I'm looking for. The key word is "automatically". An example of what I mean by "automatically applied" is:

Add effect to a track (whether or not there are already events on the track).

Any events that are added to the track in the future will automatically get the effect with the same settings as all other events on the track, because they are not applied to events, but applied to the track.

Then any changes to the track effect automatically effect all clips on the track.

Again, I realize this could be achieved by creating a nested sequence, but that would make it a huge hassle to tweak in/out points for those events in relation to events on other tracks.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jul 12, 2010 Jul 12, 2010

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What you are looking for is only possible for the audio section with the Audio Mixer.

What effect would you like to add to the whole video track?

Nest and add the effect after you are done with editing the in and out points

In Premiere Event is called Clip.

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LEGEND ,
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The reason why what you suggest is a really really  bad idea is that while you are in the process of editing a program  (ie adding clips and changing them) ...you would be "AUTOMATICALLY" applying effects that would  all require rendering.

This would really slow down the EDIT PROCESS and make it un workeable.  Most editors strive for a "realtime" edit experience until they are satisfied with their edit...then they add effects at that stage.  (Edit then  process effects is kind of standard workflow to save time and effort)

Effects applied to Audio do not generally ( or ever) require rendering)

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Community Beginner ,
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I guess you just don't know what you're missing until you've had it (like in Sony Vegas) and now you don't.

shooternz, I know you already know this, but effects can be disabled at any time during the editing process, improving performance when needed. Also, when using a CUDA card and accelerated effects, it's not an issue during editing.

For the person that said "huh?", here is an example of why it would be a hassle. The first timeline shows the track before nesting. Now I want to apply the same effect to the whole track, so I nest the whole track (second timeline shown here) and apply an effect to the new sequence. Uh oh, I realize I need to shorten the "Forest_Driveby" clip and ripple edit everything after that. It's not easily doable when the other track is completely nested. I either have to drill into the sequence and move everything over the same amount that the other clip was shortened, or slice the sequence clip. Ok, let's say I decide to slice the clip. Uh oh, now I no longer have a single point of adjustment for the effect that I put on it, defeating the purpose of the whole excercise.

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LEGEND ,
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Do all your edits, then apply your effects.  That's the best Premiere can offer.

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LEGEND ,
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I guess you just don't know what you're missing until you've had it (like in Sony Vegas) and now you don't.

I suppose I havent missed a function like that because I always craft my effects to each shot in an edit.  ( I come from a film background). 

But...when I do use an overall effect on the program (which is frequently as it happens).  I do it in a nest.  Example of that is:

I edit a tvc in its own timeline.  When I output to Master  File (for broadcast) I nest the edit sequence into an Output Sequence where it has ID, Countdown, Timecode burn in on leader, and I apply a Gamma Correction Effect* to the nest.

* Effect applied for technical reasons in the workflow via MAC

FWIW: I can see why some may find an Auto applied effect may be helpful in some circumstances though.

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Nesting is really a process best reserved for near to final output - usually when one has virtually completed a sequence or a section of work.  I hardly ever use it because my clients change their minds more often than their smalls.

As most regular forum members have already indicated, using the cursor to select from the timeline and applying either a copied or preset effect is the simplest and most direct way of achieving what you want.  It's really not that difficult.  And it's no less efficient than any other editor.

I sense that you are a little pissed off that you have to move away from Vegas for a particular edit and your unfamiliarity with Premiere is driving your frustration.  All NLEs differ in the way they achieve things.  Virtually all get there in the end.  But don't knock Premiere unduly because, in CS5 mode, it really is a very capable package and I know from experience that Vegas, although good, is not the holy grail - that's why I don't use it personally.

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Nah, I'm not pissed. I bought (upgraded to) CS5 by choice because I want to take advantage of the CUDA stuff. I am shooting nearly everything on my Canon 7D nowadays, but the files from it kill Vegas. Interestingly, I have owned CS3 Production Premium for 2 years but ignored Premiere since I was using Vegas, primarily because of stability (Vegas was rock solid in version 8, but version 9 isn't as great).

I'm not the kind of person to get all zealous about one brand over another. It's all tools to me, and whatever works best for what I'm doing is what I'll use. What you're witnessing here is my initial "settling in" and transition from one app to another. I have to get a feel for what I can or cannot do compared to my previous app, and get used to doing the same thing using different techniques.

The main thing that bugs me is the help system. PS has the cool new 3D features but the docs barely mention them. They don't really say anything about HOW to use the features. I'm also frustrated that I suddenly can't use my favorite audio compressor VST effect because Premiere doesn't support 32-bit plugins. For some reason, Vegas 64-bit works with 32-bit VST plugins while Premiere doesn't. I've tried the jBridge thing to limited success, but it ends up crashing.

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Mmm!  I think you're experiencing a bit of a culture shock here.  I have to say...we all did at first!

Adobe's decision to go 100% 64 bit has thrown many third party plug-in suppliers. CS5 simply doesn't support anything 32 bit at all. Undoubtedly everyone will catch up in the end but I think we are all, myself included, experiencing a little aggravation.

The only package I can't use at the moment is Boris Graffiti which, in 5.3 guise, is not compatible.  I get round this by being a bit clever with several other titling packages in stand alone mode.  But it's a pain.  Everything else seems to work very nicely with the CUDA technology.

It's definitely a great leap forward but not without headaches.

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> The main thing that bugs me is the help system. PS has the cool new 3D features but the docs barely mention them. They don't really say anything about HOW to use the features.

Please give that feedback on the Photoshop documents through the comments on Photoshop Help on the Web. The person responsible for that document set sits right across the hall from me, and I know for a fact that he would welcome such feedback (and act on it).

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LEGEND ,
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Let's say I want to tweak some in/out points between the nested events and the non-nested ones. Ugh.

Huh?

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I have to say, it's 5 years later and I stumbled on to you link. THANK YOU!!!! Elmost exactly what I was looking for. Maybe there is a more elegant way now, I'll look a bit more. But either way, that will serve well.

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Mar 16, 2017 Mar 16, 2017

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I have to say I agree with all of Gillisie's points, the way Vegas lets you apply an effect to a track is really handy. For example, I'm just about to grade a video I shot but the client wants it asap, so I don't have time to apply an individual grade to every shot in the sequence one by one. If I was using Vegas, I could apply a basic grade to the track, then if a shot comes along that I feel needs additional work, I can apply an effect on that clip, tweak and move on. Most of the shots will be fine with the basic grade, but the odd one will need fixing more. With the nesting method in premiere, if I wanted to tweak a shot I'd need to make cuts at either end of the shot, tweak and move on; a little more hassle. Vegas' track effect is like the best of both worlds - nesting grading and clip grading.

Yes I could apply the effect to the master clip, but then the entire clip has the grade on it. And if that particular clip requires different style grade at certain points or camera settings change (exposure for example) , its thrown off kilter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Vegas is better, after all I am using Premiere now. But it's just one of those things that makes Vegas a joy to use.

Lastly, if I'm still missing something I'd love to hear it. Maybe things have changed since I last checked

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MIght want to look at Adjustment layers.

You can put that over an entire track or just part of.

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