How to Nudge Text (using new Type Tool in April 2017 release)

Community Beginner ,
Apr 27, 2017 Apr 27, 2017

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How do I nudge text that was created with the new Type Tool using the keyboard?  When I try the arrow keys (or arrow keys with modifier keys) it just moves the playhead.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Apr 27, 2017 Apr 27, 2017

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The new Essential Graphics Panel (EGP) and the Text tool (which activates it, really) use the Effects Control panel for adjusting parameters. Actually, like most other effects ... but very different from the old (now "Legacy") title panel.

So go to the ECP, twirl down the text controls, and do your movements there.

Neil

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 27, 2017 Apr 27, 2017

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Hi Neil,

I found those controls, but adjusting parameters isn't as convenient or as precise.  I'm looking for a way to nudge text using the keyboard.

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I'd like to select multiple text objects/containers (something else I can't figure out how to do) and nudge them all over a few pixels and down a few pixels.  Right now, it looks like I have to select the first one, click in the x position box, adjust the x parameter, click in the y position box, adjust the y parameter, then repeat those steps for all the objects, hoping I get them all the same.

I realize this is "version 1.0" of the new type tool way of doing things.  If this isn't functionality doesn't exist yet, I'll probably stick with the legacy title tool until it's here.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Apr 27, 2017 Apr 27, 2017

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I'm not at a my editing suite right now, but I did see someone doing a movement of multiple things in a demo ... I'll have to sit down & figure how that was done sometime early next week. Just home from NAB, kinda running to catch up now.

Neil

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Explorer ,
Jun 11, 2017 Jun 11, 2017

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Any luck Neil? Selecting multiple objects, including text, within the same EGP and nudging them just isn't working. I'm using the latest version of Premiere (see screenshot)

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Jun 11, 2017 Jun 11, 2017

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 11, 2017 Jun 11, 2017

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I've seen something where someone nested their graphic and then used the standard Motion controls in the ECP to move the whole thing around. Haven't tried that yet myself.

Ann's right of course ... feature-request the heck out of it ... give the team direction.

Neil

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Explorer ,
Jun 13, 2017 Jun 13, 2017

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I've left my feature request. In my opinion, something like photoshop where you can select, group or link layers and move them together (and using the arrow keys) would be ideal.

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New Here ,
Jun 12, 2017 Jun 12, 2017

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I think I found a solution to this issue, I found this issue annoying as well.

1). Select the text you want to edit in the timeline.

2). Click on the preview window, make sure there is a blue border around the image.

3). Go to your Effect controls and select Position, make sure that it is highlighted.

4). You should be able to now adjust the specific title's position using the arrow keys now, without it moving the playhead in your timeline.

I hope this was helpful.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 12, 2017 Jun 12, 2017

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This way you are moving the entire frame not just the text.

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New Here ,
Feb 10, 2018 Feb 10, 2018

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This is making me nuts, too, that it is not possible to multi-select more essential graphics objects and nudge them precisely.

This EG thing is a good idea i think, but at the moment there are so many flaws with it.

It's seems like there was only little or no BETA test before releasing it to public.

Where can i line up for testing?

Would like to give comprehensive feedback on that.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 10, 2018 Feb 10, 2018

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For the best info on how & what tools are available at the moment, I'll ping jstrawn

Neil

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 12, 2018 Feb 12, 2018

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You can select multiple layers within the same Graphic at once using the current release - Pr 12.0.1 x 069. It was also possible in 12.0 but we made a few enhancements to it in 12.0.1. Nudging is a separate feature request, one which we recognize the importance of. So that is a priority, but I can't really say how high right now. I can never speak about what we are planning to release or when, not so much for the sake of corporate secrecy, but because I don't want to promise something that ends up changing by the time we actually release. Neil can probably tell you how to request entry to our beta program, and using the wishform is also a fine way to send feedback, as is a thread like this. Both of which are available to anyone.

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Participant ,
Jun 07, 2021 Jun 07, 2021

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Hi jstrawn,

 

I'm trying to use EG more now that Adobe has made LT's imminent demise official and I want to add that not being able to nudge individual EG elements with the arrow keys when selected (blue bounding box) is a major, massive PITA!  Why this wasn't introduced from the get go given that LT has had this ability for ages defies all logic and frankly is a huge disservice to your customers.  PLEASE fix this ASAP (i.e. not 10 years from now)

Thank you!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 07, 2021 Jun 07, 2021

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Mapping for this is available, and has been since the 14.x series came out. At that time they ported nearly all the large set of key-shorts that have been for the Titler so they could be used for graphics ... period. It was something they mentioned at the time in the "official blog", and I posted about it, but I think a large percentage of the user base totally missed that improvement.

 

And yea, nudging your graphics elements by one or five (your choice) is HUGE.

 

On my machine, I've got Ctrl/arrow keys set for this in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog.

Search "nudge" and then set the keys you want in the Essential Graphics panel listing.

 

Now if we'd just get a real shapes library ... sigh.

 

Neil

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Participant ,
Jun 07, 2021 Jun 07, 2021

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Thanks for replying Neil.

 

However, it seems to me like complete utter nonsense that separate shortcuts need to be assigned, remembered and used.  Why not just resort to the same old arrow & Shift+arrow keys users have been using for ages to nudge one or more selected elements in the LT, or used to nudge selected clips, pictures or even entire EG titles in the Program Monitor?  These keys are also used in all other Adobe programs, so why break this convention in EG???

 

Once again rather than taking the simple, elegant, logical, convenient, consistant, and frankly, respectful route, it appears the Pr team botched this up with a silly, inconvenient workflow that forces users to assign and remember yet another set of keyboard shortcuts when there's no good reason whatsoever for it!

 

When will this design nonsense end? 😞

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 07, 2021 Jun 07, 2021

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Then set those as you wish them to be. These are all settable by the user. That's just what I selected.

 

With all these panels, so many of the keyboard shorts are panel-specific, and that certainly is a pain. But ... you can use it and get around things. Or get a button-box as I call them to put tons of key-shorts & macros available at one tap.

 

Many  of  my colorist friends working in Resolve have multiple Streamdecks as well as their micro through advanced control panels. Looking at some of their suites, they've got like two big Streamdecks and two 'regular' ones plus their Advanced surface and whatever else. Why? They have so freaking many key-shorts they're using all the time.

 

Neil

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Participant ,
Jun 09, 2021 Jun 09, 2021

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To be fair, setting up and remembering an extra set of shortcuts isn't the end of the world.

 

But also to be fair, there was no good reason for Adobe to do this vs using the same shortcuts they already use to nudge things everywhere else in their own software, including Pr.  Why unnecessarily complicate things when it's of zero benefit to users but rather causes inconvenience and frustration?

 

Imagine a car that properly signals left and right, but when you're in certain parts of the city, you need to brake at the same time to signal left or right, otherwise it won't work.  Wouldn't make any sense, right?  Well, that's exactly what Adobe did with nudging EG elements.  Want to nudge an EG title?  No problem!  Just select it and use the arrow keys like you always have in LT, Photoshop and everywhere else!  Want to nudge any element within an EG title?  HA!  The shortcut keys you've come to rely on WON'T WORK!  You need to set up new shotcuts... but don't you dare set those shortcuts to the arrow keys (or Shift+arrow) otherwise other functions you've always used with those keys (such as step forward/back) won't work anymore! 

 

If there ever was a massive middle finger given by Adobe to good sense and respectful design, then this is it.

 

It seems some decision makers in the Pr team are completely out of whack when it comes to designing things elegantly, intelligently, and with respect for longstanding conventions.  It would be nice to see more people demanding that things work properly rather than making excuses for their incomprehensible design decisions. 😞

 

Something tells me that if anyone at Adobe reads this, they'll think "Who does this guy think he is?!" rather than thinking "Hmmm... maybe he's got a point and we did screw up". 

 

I'd love to be proven wrong!

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Jun 09, 2021 Jun 09, 2021

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So then set them to the arrow key ... yea, would be nice if they set them there for us but they are pretty quick to set.

 

Neil

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Engaged ,
Feb 12, 2018 Feb 12, 2018

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Hi There - There is not a way to nudge the text at this time, you can select the object and move it with your selection tool in the program monitor or use the position controls from the essential graphics panel. Nudging the text with the arrow keys on the the keyboard is a feature request I've also made as it will make it easier to move graphics with precision.

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New Here ,
Feb 12, 2018 Feb 12, 2018

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Thanks, for all the answers. Will keep an eye on future updates!

For simple titles the essential graphics is OK at the moment.

For more complex arrangements i will keep using external tools as an workaround.

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