Problem getting 608 & 708 captions for broadcast embedded

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Apr 27, 2021 Apr 27, 2021

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Just updated to Premiere 15.1

I work in TV, and I need to provide my program to master control with both 608 & 708 captions embedded in the output file (mxf op1a). The new captioning function is cumbersome and seems to not allow me to do this anymore. 

 

I use .mcc and .scc captions files from a captioning service, and in previous versions of Premiere, I would just drop those on the timeline and check them using the wrench icon. The export with the "embed in output file" options selected. I always bring the exported file back into the project to make sure both captions are visible. 

 

With the new version, I am unable to get either 608, or 708 captions to export embedded. I have read that I can go back to v14 to export with my captions, but this is a short-term solution for a long-term problem. 

 

Has anyone found other workarounds? 

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Apr 27, 2021 Apr 27, 2021

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Both should be able to be embedded ... simultaneously actually.

 

You are using the Captions workspace to try this, and the Captions tracks at the top of the timeline panel there?

 

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Yes, using the new captions workspace. All captions are visible on the timeline, but none are present in the exported file. I am following the instructions for export from adobe for the new captions workflow. 

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That's not good.

 

@TrentHappel  ... are you free for assistance?

 

Neil

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Apr 27, 2021 Apr 27, 2021

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Sorry for asking, but did you add the .scc as a CEA-608 Caption track and .mcc as a CEA-708 Caption track in the Timeline? 

 

By any chance did you use any of the effects under the Effects tab in Export Settings? (eg: Video Limiter, etc.) If so, we have an open issue with embedded caption export with this. A Possible workaround is to use the effects in your Timeline (eg: applied to an Adjustment Layer) rather than applying them on Export.

 

How did you create your Sequence? Was it from one of our supplied Sequence presets or did you create from a clip? We have an open issue with some non-standard frame rates (eg: 23.98 or variable frame rate) causing embedded caption export to fail. A possible workaround is to use one of our supplied Sequence Presets and then modify, if needed.

 

We are working on fixing the two issues I listed above, but provided possible workarounds until that happens (other than using Premiere Pro 14.x). 

 

Hoping this helps.

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Yes, I added the .scc as 608, and the .mcc as 708. 

On export, I do use the Loudness Normalization in the effects tab. I tried exporting without that, and I also made sure to use a sequence preset. I was able to get an export that did include 608 captions, but they don't look right (odd placement and font). However, this file doesn't include the 708 captions. I also noticed when I put the .scc file into the timeline, and the caption window pops up, and I select "CEA-608" as the type, it puts it on the timeline in two tracks, one that is labeled 608, but has no caption information in it, and one above that which is labeled Subtitle. The subtitle track is where the captions are showing up, and they don't look correct to what I am used to seeing 608 captions look like. 

 

 

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Thanks for verifiying. Those are definitely not good results.

 

Would it be possible to supply your .scc, .mcc and Project files? This would help with our investigation. You can PM me a link with the files, if you like.

 

Thank you!

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