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Hello Adobe community,

I am doing a new project where I have to use a lot of on screen text. I am using "Legacy Title" to create those text.

The problem that I am having is that the size of the panels change every time I reopen the titles.

Below are the images:

1) First time I open it. This is normal. All three panels are divided properly.

Capture_01.PNG

2) Second time I open: Look at the left and right panels. Right panel gets extended and the left one gets squished.

Capture_02.PNG

3) Third time I open the title. Again look at the left and right panels.

Capture_04.PNG

This gets really annoying when dealing with lots of on screen text!

Any help will be appreciated.

K

Hi, we fixed the issue where the legacy titler panels weren't showing up at all in the default workspaces. Unfortunately, this fix came at the end of the 13.0.2 cycle and we ran out of time to fix a side effect, where the panels aren't maintaining their original layout. Given that the original problem prevented access to the legacy titler panels, we wanted to provide that fix ASAP. We hope to get the layout resizing bug (now a separate issue) fixed soon. If you reset the workspace, that should reset the legacy titler panel layout.

David Kuspa | Adobe | Sr. Experience Designer, Lead | Pro Video & Audio

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"Legacy title" panel size changes every time I reopen

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Hello Adobe community,

I am doing a new project where I have to use a lot of on screen text. I am using "Legacy Title" to create those text.

The problem that I am having is that the size of the panels change every time I reopen the titles.

Below are the images:

1) First time I open it. This is normal. All three panels are divided properly.

Capture_01.PNG

2) Second time I open: Look at the left and right panels. Right panel gets extended and the left one gets squished.

Capture_02.PNG

3) Third time I open the title. Again look at the left and right panels.

Capture_04.PNG

This gets really annoying when dealing with lots of on screen text!

Any help will be appreciated.

K

Hi, we fixed the issue where the legacy titler panels weren't showing up at all in the default workspaces. Unfortunately, this fix came at the end of the 13.0.2 cycle and we ran out of time to fix a side effect, where the panels aren't maintaining their original layout. Given that the original problem prevented access to the legacy titler panels, we wanted to provide that fix ASAP. We hope to get the layout resizing bug (now a separate issue) fixed soon. If you reset the workspace, that should reset the legacy titler panel layout.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Reset workspace?

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Community Beginner ,
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I tried resetting, but the issue is still there. I was kind of wondering if this occurs on your system as well? If not I will have to re-install.

Thank you for the response!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Yes I have seen this also.

Titler is still buggy even after fix in 13.0.2

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I agree it is still buggy. I still have to enable all the panels manually. I had heard they were trying to get some kind of integration between the Old Legacy Titling System and the Essential Graphics Panel. That would be cool If it can be done easy but if it is going to add bugs it might not be wise. Like many other folks I like the Old Titling System better than the Essential Graphics Panel.

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Same exact problem here. Thought it was just me.

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I find that undocking the legacy title properties panel works wonders. When reopening the legacy title workspace, the properties panel will remain in the last size you set it to. You'll have to undock for each project, and click out of both windows to close the legacy title workspace.Screen Shot 2020-04-23 at 12.08.05 PM.png

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DUDE! YES! THANK YOU! It's insane that Adobe still hasn't fixed this issue 2 years later but your method is totally working so thank you so much for figuring that out! It's infuriating when I'm making captions for a video with dozens of seperate title's and the legacy title layout changes every single time I open it.

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Jun 23, 2020 1
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Um ... I know it has it's uses, but note that it's the "Legacy Titler" ... and the reason it hasn't had any updates in several versions is it's going buh-bye at some point.

 

As another user, I can see using it in old continuing projects that just need a quick updating. I would not see any reason to use it on any new project, or on any major continuing project that will keep being updated constantly. We users have no clue when it's going to disappear.

 

Neil

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Jun 23, 2020 1
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Then remove it. If it exists in the current version it should work. Period. This is a Boolean.

And nothing goes Buh-bye. Features are added and removed. Software is updated. As the end users we have a say in this process. There are enterprise alternatives and my company is weighing them. I am making recommendations to this end.

Having used both the Essential Graphics tool and the Legacy Title Tool I find the Legacy system faster and more flexible for my pipeline. That is the end of my decision process.

If Adobe wants me to use the EGT and stop prodding them to fix something they own - remove the problem.

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I'm just an old fart who has been using Legacy Title Tool for years. I am comfortable with it. I use it for text, not graphics. I agree with you, but my question is what other alternatives are there that work so easily with Premiere? Thanks.

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For me, creating basic text items in the EGP is a lot faster than working with the old Titler. Key-short for Text tool, click/drag if I want a box, just click if I'm only adding one line ... type my text ... place it with the appropriate tools (same process as in Titler there) ... move on.

 

I can do this without even changing to the graphics workspace. So yea, we all work differently, and prefer the look and 'feel' of one UI element over another. But for simple ease of adding text and moving on, the current graphics setup is fast and easy.

 

Neil

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Yea, this has been happening to me too.  Before that the tool bars from the Legacy Title page disappeared and I had to re-add them every time I opened a new Legacy Title, it was infuriating.  Seems to be a thing since 2019 launched.

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Hi, we fixed the issue where the legacy titler panels weren't showing up at all in the default workspaces. Unfortunately, this fix came at the end of the 13.0.2 cycle and we ran out of time to fix a side effect, where the panels aren't maintaining their original layout. Given that the original problem prevented access to the legacy titler panels, we wanted to provide that fix ASAP. We hope to get the layout resizing bug (now a separate issue) fixed soon. If you reset the workspace, that should reset the legacy titler panel layout.

David Kuspa | Adobe | Sr. Experience Designer, Lead | Pro Video & Audio

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If you reset the workspace, that should reset the legacy titler panel layout.

I which that was true: it does not in most workspaces.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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At least you let us know Adobe is working on it. Can the track matte bug be fixed?

https://youtu.be/7KzjlsKGX7E

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We hope to get the layout resizing bug (now a separate issue) fixed soon.

I'll be eager to get this fixed. Is there a way I can be notified when it's fixed? Or should I just keeping checking for an entire new update to Premiere? Thanks

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Where is this bug fix update? The issue still driving me crazy guys..

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It's been over a year and this is not resolved. Can we pause work on new products and stem the bleeding from the core production suite please?

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The ancient Titler is not a "core" section of Premiere, and all work forward will be put into the replacement. And over time,  at some point, the Titler will disappear.

 

Life moves forward. Tools change. Including software. Whether we like it or not the best current effort is to posit for changes in Essential Graphics to handle anything you do in the Titler that the EGP doesn't allow.

 

Which is getting to be fewer things over time.

 

Neil

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I have to disagree: PP CC is presumably a professional tool for web
and broadcast. Either the EGP or the LT (either one) must work 100% or
PP is essentially broken. I suppose a workflow could be to create
graphics in AE and export them to PP but I might just as well be using
a Chyron at that point. So long as EGP isn't quite a replacement for
LT, then LT should function at 100% or PP is degraded as a product.
I'm not a workflow snob - I've transitioned from Avid to Final Cut to
Premiere with few complaints. What I can't abide is flagging support
and Adobe is starting to feel a lot like Avid with promised support
but lackluster delivery.

My humble opinion is that they simply have too many brands in the
fire. I'd love them to hack off a few branches and focus on their core
video and audio assets for a couple of years. But admittedly that's
just me.

--
Hunter Cressall
Senior Production Associate, Pack Health

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I don't want to wade into the debate but please, please fix the legacy titler and don't ever remove it if you want to keep me as a customer. 

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Can we all agree that a "legacy" tool that's been around since the beginning of Premiere  shouldn't be breaking????

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KeithHopkin  wrote

Can we all agree that a "legacy" tool that's been around since the beginning of Premiere  shouldn't be breaking????

That got me chuckling! So true, and yet, we might be wrong!

The tool is legacy, but the way it "lives" in the workspace is constantly changing. And its nature (a collection of panels in a window) made it an oddity. Yes, there are floating panels, but the legacy title seems to float in its own universe.

Yes, I hope they get it fixed!

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Yeah, I can see how the complications can arise and how recent years of integrating new UI will cause issues but, well, I could go on for hours about this

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Still having this problem. The title window scoots to the right every time I close the panel, until the properties window eventually becomes a tiny little sliver. Really annoying...

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I just installed the 13.1 update, and the legacy title tool is still messed up.

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Same here. This is REALLY annoying Adobe. It's been like it for a while now... isn't it time to stop sipping your coffee and sort this out?

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Adobe doesn't care about fixing things anymore. They went so far as to tell me this was a hardware issue with my monitor. It's Halfway through 2019 guys...and legacy title is still broken

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This fix ("Reseting Window Layout") worked for me at first, but now it's right back to the problem before. Each time I reopen the Legacy Title tool, certain panels are squeezed off to the side, unusable. This is super frustrating. And amazingly I still prefer the Legacy Title tool to the horrific Essential Graphics panel...

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Any timeline for that bug to be fixed? It is super annoying 😞

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So very, very frustrating.  I am working with a bunch of titles and I need to open them up to make quick fixes and all of the toolbars come up differently every time I open Legacy Titler.  I have to spend too much time resizing all the toolbars to get to a manageable size to see all of the options.  Highly frustrating for sure.  You think with the amount of money we have to pay monthly for CC they would fix something simple and such a useful tool as this!!!

 

Randy

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In talking with the developers ... use of the Titler has been dropping since the EGP was created, fewer using it all the time. It's ancient code ... as Stan noted above, floats in its own every unique window, wasn't ever actually like most of the rest of the code anyway ... and the Future is all in the EGP.

 

For those few (relatively speaking compared to the whole user base) still using it ... yea, this ain't great. I do sympathize, as ... I'm still bummed about their dropping an actual grading app (SpeedGrade) replacing it with an effect (Lumetri) in Premiere. Lumetri has come a long way but still ... it ain't a full grading app.

 

The hardest thing getting started with the EGP coming from the Titler is they are such different mental models. Once you get past that, and start getting a feel for how the EGP works, it's very workable in general. And thankfully they finally ported all the Titler's keyboard shortcuts to simply "graphics" key-shorts, so they work the same in the mogrts and graphics of the EGP.

 

I haven't used the Titler except to test issues for someone in a couple years personally. And yea, some things are easier done by creating the mogrt in Ae and exporting to a Library. Doable.

 

But ... for graphics in Premiere ... the money from subscriptions is going into the EGP now. And that ain't gonna change.

 

Neil

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I agree the EGP is AMAZING but how can you edit some of the mogrts?  There are some great free ones out there that are so much better than you can create in Legacy Titler. There are also many that you can find for very little $. I guess I should just get used to EGP or learn how to create mogrts myself. The Legacy Titler was THE THING when PP first came out. But maybe it's time to move on (kind of like Envore DVD that went away too). Thanks for the feedback. 

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Jarle Leirpoll wrote an ebook on creating mogrts in Ae for "deployment" in Premiere ... and I was the spell-checker/grammarian and a tester of everthing in it. When Adobe program people were looking the final draft over to check for accuracy, they ended up buying it out. And publishing it via link free to all ...

 

Making Mogrts

 

It's a very direct, easy to read and follow introduction to getting mogrts made in AfterEffects and then exporting them via folder or Library for use in Premiere.

 

One of the reasons to read it is it shows you how to open and modify mogrts in Ae ... which has a ton more tools for spiffing up things and text movement options and such.

 

I highly recommend you download and read the book. Creating mogrts in Ae is probably the simplest thing to use that app for as a starter in AfterEffects work.

 

Neil

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