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  Since adobe Quinn quit encore I have been looking four a replacement for our DVD menu editing and building. Can someone suggest a replacement, I really need it ASAP

 

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Encore is dead because of third party legal issues and will never be revived.

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replacement for Encore

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  Since adobe Quinn quit encore I have been looking four a replacement for our DVD menu editing and building. Can someone suggest a replacement, I really need it ASAP

 

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Encore is dead because of third party legal issues and will never be revived.

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Mar 27, 2020

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Both do author Blu-rays but DVD Architect has problems with H.264 so using MPEG2 is a must
Encore alternative http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/taw6.html
Also https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/dvd-architect/

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Apr 09, 2020

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What to recommend all depends on exactly what you are needing to do - is the intended output for Blu-ray or DVD-Video?

All menu editing & creation should ideally be done in PhotoShop (this is how we do it, anyway) and authoring tools should ideally be treated as just that - assembly tools and not editors, otherwise you will (sooner or later) run into serious problems with "ghost assets" due to the abstraction layer nature of all the cheaper authoring tools.

So if you could let me know what you need to do, I will be happy to recommend.

For regular DVD, you will have to go a long, long way to beat Media Chance Labs DVD-Lab Pro 2. This does carry it's own built-in menu creation & layout tools as well as importing a layered PSD as well as separate TIF and BMP files and it really does work seriously well, with remarkably few issues as well as being seriously stable.

There is also a fully functional trial version available as well, and for straight DVD-V I cannot say enough good things about it.

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May 14, 2020

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I use VEGAS DVD Architect for $99.  It's okay, gets the job done, but I really miss Encore's more intuitive/more polished interface and its tight integration with Photoshop for designing custom menus.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 14, 2020

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Adobe should make an update to Encore to create 4K Blu-ray discs. I would welcome that. Blu-ray disks are still needed from time to time. I want to be able create 4K Blu-ray disks for clients.

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May 14, 2020

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Encore is dead because of third party legal issues and will never be revived.

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Jul 01, 2020

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Which is not strictly speaking correct.

At the time it was dropped, the previous owners of the Sonic AuthorCore had indeed discontinued not only the Encore AuthorCore (originally in Sonic's 'DVD Producer' tool) but also Scenarist SD & Scenarist BD whilst claiming they had done this because "nobody is making discs any more".

Since then, the situation has changed massively and Adobe could almost certainly - if they wanted to (and this is, I believe, the key point to remember) - redo a deal, as not only has there been a buyback of all the rights and a new company called Scenarist LLC been formed but the SD and BD systems are not only fully supported again but also in active development again!!!

 

This means that Scenarist LLC would almost certainly be open to relicensing the Encore AuthorCore back to Adobe - from their perspective income is income, and I would wager that Adobe have not even tried to talk to the new company. It iis now being run by the people who used to work for Sonic so they know their stuff and I can attest to the fact that Scenarist SD is under active development again, as well as Scenarist BD.

 

One more problem does still exist. In order to be legally allowed to sell Blu-ray as Blu-ray and to use any Blu-ray trademarks or logos requires the discs to be factory replicas - it is not allowed to create a BD-R and sell it as Blu-ray because Sony (who own the name, trademarks & specifications) consider all BD-R to be 'non compliant' and selling BD-R as 'Blu-ray' is liable to get you not only a 'cease & desist' order if Sony find out about it, but a stock destruction order if the wording 'Blu-ray' or 'Blu-ray disc' or 4K Blu-ray' or if any of the official logos are used in packaging, advertising or on the actual discs themselves is used.

 

So the current situation is entirely of Adobe's conscious decisions to drop optical disc support altogether - that is unless they have tried to re-license in the last 2 years and been turned down.

I suspect that they have never even bothered to try.

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Jul 01, 2020

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What we suspect is worth about zilch. Still, we will all have our suspicions and thoughts, won't we?

 

The upper Adobe managers live and decide by metrics. One thing many app users don't realize is about half of Adobe are the apps we users work with ... Photoshop through Illustrator, the video apps, that group. The other half of Adobe is software for large organizations to do management and collaboration based on formative design principles followed up by aggressive, market-segmented AI and real-world integration of user experiences and causalities.

 

And if you can parse phrases like that, you too could be an upper Adobe manager!

 

For that crowd, if they see metrics telling them something, they jump at it. If not, they don't. They produce metrics by the Imperial ton somewhere, somehow ... and they don't share with us "normal" folk.

 

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Jul 01, 2020

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And looking at my preceding post, I think I've spent too much time asking Adobe upper managers about things at NAB and MAX ... sigh. And reading the explanatory posts they tell me to go look at ...

 

Neil

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jul 01, 2020

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I like Encore but if there are to many licensing issues Adobe could create a new software program that works a lot like Encore. I would like to be able create 4K Blu-ray discs for clients.

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Jul 01, 2020

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Their upper managers don't see the metrics indicating a 'need'. A lot of us disagree, but then ... most of the editors and colorists I know say they don't even have any optical drives on their massive rigs anymore.

 

Neil

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jul 01, 2020

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A lot of us disagree,

 

Who is us? there is still a demand for dvd dont underestimate that.

 

I would like to make 4K bluray unfortunately there is but one consumer level 4K UDH authoring software but its not compatible with Premieres output files and it does not make menus. So end of story.

 

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Jul 01, 2020

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Ann,

 

You should know that I would love if they had a B-R/DVD authoring program. I've certainly said so around here a lot!. Which is why I said a lot of us disagree with the management.

 

Neil

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Jul 01, 2020

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Ahhhhh took ik the wrong way....

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Jul 01, 2020

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Maybe it would cost to much to money to create something as complex as Encore but we need a DVD/4K Blu-ray authoring solution. DVD and Blu-ray authoring gets mentioned in the FCPX forums, Edius forums, Premiere Pro forums, Avid forums etc. There has to be money to be made from an inexpensive DVD/Blu-ray solution. I say bundle it with Premiere Pro but make FCPX, Edius and Avid users pay for it.

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Jul 05, 2020

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@Andy (and everyone)

 

The myth that it would cost too much to develop is utter nonsense.

As I keep saying, the original AuthorCore is almost certainly up for licensing again now that Scenarist LLC own their tools again, having bought back after  the disastrous corporate sellout from Sonic Solutions to Rovi, who IMO had only bought Sonic in order to close them down as Rovi's main market is streaming on Demand (or the SOD model as I like to call it).

The biggest problem for starting from scratch as a developer is the cost of being a licensed developer, and without being a licensed developer you cannot create BDCMF replication masters and you cannot sell BD-R in any form as Blu-ray, because according to Sony (who own the format) it is non compliant product. 

So the answer is to license an authorcore, just as Adobe did with Encore.

 

I hear the comments about the insane metrics and agree completely that anybody who bases serious decisions based on what an algorithm tells them should be decreed clinically insane, as no algorithm is better than the assumptions used & the programmers who wrote it. And all too often these things are done specifically to output a desired answer as opposed to what is reality.

The whole world has gone mad

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