Transform Effect Error

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Why adding any number of shutter angle in the transform effect cause to unpredictable changes in scale and position?

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Transform Effect Error

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Why adding any number of shutter angle in the transform effect cause to unpredictable changes in scale and position?

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do you have any other effects than the transform ?

are you applying it on a text layer, an image or a nested clip ?

did you turn off 'use composition shutter angle ? tried changing the sampling ?

can you screenshot your workflow ?

try to nest your clip and apply transform, does the same happen ?

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It is a picture with no other effects on it. Use composition shutter angle is unchecked.

To reproduce this error:

  1. Grab any picture to the timeline, then grab transform effect to it.
  2. Uncheck Use composition shutter angle and change shutter angle to 180.
  3. Changing scale of the transform effect from 100 to 0 moves the picture to the upper left corner. Scaling up from 100 to inf moves it to down right corner.

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right click on your image, click on 'Nest'

apply the transform effect with shutter 180 deg and use composition shutter angle switched off

it worked for me

if you do not nest it, it scales unproperly

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It doesn't work properly on nested sequence too. All my presets with scale and motion blur which I did before become broken.

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it worked for me, but since you have other presets, I guess the problem is with

the structure of the presets you applied, which one is before, try to drag

the transform to the top of them

or, if your other presets are working fine on the image(not the nested), keep them,

just remove the transform and apply it to the nested image

when you nest your image, you have to remove the transform from the original image

and keep it just on the nested

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This preset should rotate in the center. But it starts moving from the bottom left corner. On nested sequences as well!

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i dragged an image to my timeline, nested it, then applied your preset to the nested image,

it works great ! starts from the center rotates and ends at the center with a wonderful motion blur

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I'm not sure exactly what you're doing; that sounds odd.

I can tell you that I never use the transform effect. It's always been horribly buggy for me, leading to crashes and render errors.

you may find it easier and more stable to do this kind of motion animation in After Effects.

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It works only when the sequence on which you apply the preset is the same size with your working sequence. It is a bug of PP.

PP is very buggy when you do something a bit more complicated. AE does not use GPU during export, that leads to 5 hour rendering for me instead of 3 minutes for PP for the same project.

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I dont think we can call this a bug, i recently created 50 presets which

are too complicated, you have to take into consideration that when you

create presets for a full hd image, those presets work properly on images

and footage that are full hd, smaller and larger resolutions like 4k wont

have a properly working preset designed on a full hd sequence. So, when you

import an image or video that is not 1920x1080 you will have to set it to a

frame size of a 1920x1080 sequence and nest it, then apply the preset on

the nested sequence. That is the proper way of working with presets.. and

the preset you sent me works great on my full hd nested image workflow

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I hope you realize that using the transform effect on a NESTED object, now set to no larger than 1080x1920, means that you've potentially destroyed resolution / pixel information. You're zoomed in on brand new pixels. Your image will always be blurrier than it could be. Does that make sense?

An 8K photo, nested to 1080p, and then zoomed in on (using Transform or Motion) will always look fuzzier than it should.

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Hi сергейз,

Does this happen with new projects or just updated ones?

Thanks,

Kevin

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I can reproduce this on images that do not match sequence settings.

When nested problem is gone.

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It is definitely a bug! I understand that presets need some adjusting for different resolutions, it's ok. It's not ok when shutter angle causes unpredictable position changing. Most of the time I apply this effect to footages which are smaller than my working sequence. If I nest them to bigger size my animation become wrong. And what does Adobe team suggest to do in that case?

I usually don't nest my footages to smaller resolution.

It happens with a new projects too.

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File your bug to the proper place then since you say that it is definitely

a bug, im just trying my best to help you out here so you can finish your

project

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I have a bunch of presets which have shutter angle and designed to work with small footages. Now they are all useless. Nesting does not help with this.

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The preset you sent me was tested on a 1920x1080 nested sequence and it

works perfect, so anything resized and nested into a 1920x1080 seq will work

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Why doesn't it work on images that do not match sequence resolution?

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okay, here it is simplified :

When you create a preset with keyframes, those keyframes work on values,

so if the anchor point value for a 1920x1080 sequence is (x,y) the x on the 1920x1080 seq

is different from the same value on a 4k sequence, so is the y

Position and scale values differ between a 1920x1080 sequence and a 4k sequence

as well as other sequence settings

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Note that if the footage size is different from the sequence size where the presets were created,

the footage must be resized to the same size as the seq where the presets created, and then and

most importantly nested, then have the presets applied to work properly

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and for everybody here, the 'Transform Effects' is so delicate, especially when it comes

to switching 'use composition shutter angle' on and off

I once tried moving a premiere pro project from a windows 7 (service pack 1) pc to

my Macbook Pro, so all my assets having the 'Transform' effect applied started

flickering on export ! I just turned off 'use composition shutter angle' and everything

went back to normal, no more flickering. I later discovered that the windows pc had a

Quadro k2000, and my Macbook Pro had a Radeon 450, so premiere project was

stuck on interacting with the supposedly Quadro k2000 on a Macbook Pro, so turning

off the automatic use of composition shutter gave priority to my Radeon Pro 450

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So, does that mean that It's impossible to use scaling without loosing the quality (resolution)? If it works only with nest.

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Premiere Pro is not after effects, you can scale without loosing quality if you are working

with an illustrator file or any other high res footage, but when you start creating complex

keyframing and animation, you will have to nest in certain cases for the complex keyframes

to work perfectly, and you can nest your footage in a sequence at the same resolution as

your footage, it will act the same as if you are working with the actual footage without nesting.

It is all a game of preserving same settings while nesting. When I nest text, for example, If I

want to use scaling on the nest, I scale my text to fit on screen before nesting it.

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But if I nest my footage in a sequence at the same resolution as my footage I will not get proper animation with shutter angle because my sequence is 2160p. I hope someday Adobe bring collapse transformation to PP.

I found that if I'm animating position with scale on footage without nest I can get proper animation but it's a pain in the *ss.

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you seem to be doing presets, and while creating the presets you are creating them on

a smaller sequence (1920x1080) or so...

Keep in mind that when creating presets, you have to decide BEFORE you start keyframing

on which settings you will be working, if it is a 2160p sequence, you have to create your

keyframes on a 2160p sequence before saving them as presets and apply them ONLY on

2160p footage or nested seq.

Everything must be exactly matched, before you start thinking of what presets you are going

to create, think of what output you will be delivering ? and follow the exact same settings

throughout the whole process. Presets created on a 1920x1080 sequence will never work

properly on a 2160p sequence or clip.

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You are right, It's not the question.

I'm talking about one simple thing: there is no way to apply shutter angle to the sequence which has resolution different from the main sequence and get right animation. It means you can't use scale and not to loose quality when your footage larger than main sequence.

Is there anything we can do with this problem besides animating position at the same time?

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I tested your preset in a clip and it worked perfectly in:

1920X1080

2704X1524

4096X2160, and also in a 1920X1080 sequence in frame size.

What it does not say is the size of its image, because if it does not have 1080X1080, it has moved the anchor point and the position, it is the only way in which it had an erratic behavior.

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It works perfectly only when the sequence and the footage have the same resolution.

So, shutter angle does not work properly without nest. It means If your footage bigger then you will lose quality.

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Then start a feature request, i don't think it should be classified as a bug

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Also it do not allow me to set the scale of the clip to 0, instead it displays the clip at 100 even though the property reads 0. Now I'm changing 0 scale to 0.1 in my old presets.

It is a bug.

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Okay then lets file a bug, do that and we will vote

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Yes, I'm sorry, in my previous response I focused more on the initial comment, and it seems I misunderstood it, than in the rest of the comments.

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My current workaround is to make the transformations with the motion controls, then replace with After Effects composition, turn on motion blur on the layer and the sequence then save and go back to Premiere. Not ideal, I know.

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