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Ai images refused

New Here ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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Hello guys, time ago i posted some images generated with Midjourney v4 and v5. They got accepted. I post an example:

taiwan7327_mushroom_fantasy_kingdom_mushrooms_land_a_fantasy_mu_5c77a46d-c30c-4edd-936b-967493826033.png

Now i'm posting other images generated with Midjourney v 5 (again) and v6 and aren't getting accepted. I don't understand why cause the quality is the same (v 4 has very noisy images so it makes nonsense they got accepted but now v 5 and 6 images no). I post an example of 1 that got refused:

taiwan7327_mushroom_fantasy_kingdom_mushrooms_land_a_fantasy__b25aa12c-dfc6-44fb-a5d7-5b153436e5a8_1.png

Can someone please explain me what's exactly the problem?

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correct answers 2 Correct answers

Enthusiast , Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

In any case, a mistake is that the roof of the tower to the right is not fully drawn. And maybe the green lanterns shoud be alike.

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Community Expert , Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

Noise is not the only quality aspect on which images are judged. The first (accepted) image was actually more cohesive in terms of drawing details. The second image has numerous drawing errors and artifacts. IMG_0420.jpegIMG_0419.jpegIMG_0418.jpeg

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Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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bottom right looks pretty messy :DDD

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New Here ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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So if it wasn't for the bottom right the image would have been accepted?

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Explorer ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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Could have been, you never really know. Its super random.

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Explorer ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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I think uploading very similar images can be seen as spam

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Explorer ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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But Adobe will tell you, I think he implied that it didnt get accepted for quality reasons.

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Community Expert ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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Possibly, because "time ago," AI assets were being accepted by untrained moderators with regard to this new medium. People with 6 fingers, etc.  It's much more difficult now to get AI assets accepted and the bar has been raised (if you're playing high jump; lowered if you're playing limbo).

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Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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Do you know that is the case? A lot more of my images have been rejected recently. I was wondering if it was what DALL-E generated, the uspcaler or Adobe themselves. If it is actually down to a far more stringent acceptance process then that is fair enough.

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Yes the acceptance process is much more strict now 

 

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Explorer ,
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Ok thanks

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You dont know that! The reason could also be that many more people uplaod AI Generations and therefor many repetitions. That doesnt make the process more strict. When i have good Ideas that doesnt exist yet, all pictures get accepted, even bad ones. When i have perfect images but they already exist, adobe will reject alot.

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Explorer ,
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Interesting theory

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Explorer ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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@shaky camera"comunity expert" is wrong.

The "bar" hasn't been raised. Just look at the ai generated images accepted today and you will see the same amount of six fingered people in them as always. It goes for all other "themes" as well.

And as for why. Not long ago the review times where 2 months. Now they are 2 days. You do the math.

Maybe adobe went to some marvel universe and hired some superhumans as reviewers to cut that review time by that much 😉

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For me time went up to 8 weeks.

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Community Expert ,
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For me time went up to 8 weeks.


By @Conrad3468011975ya

As I said, it's not that easy as @Svetlana28639737zwpi wants to make you believe.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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Community Expert ,
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And as for why. Not long ago the review times where 2 months. Now they are 2 days. You do the math.

Maybe adobe went to some marvel universe and hired some superhumans as reviewers to cut that review time by that much 😉


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

Well, the review time of the assets is pretty much the same. Formerly, your pictures just waited in the queue for two months, before they got moderated. A refusal is pretty fast. The moderator refuses at the first error they see. 

 

And it took Adobe around a year to cut down the waiting time down. In a year's time, you can add a lot of moderators. And they also cut down the number of assets, you can have waiting in your queue, as you well know. Before, certain contributors were submitting hundreds of assets per day. One contributor had around 60,0000 assets in his portfolio, before getting suspended for some violation(s) of the contributor terms.

 

And it is even not sure that the waiting time is really down. There are indications that Adobe just started an out of order moderation. Before, moderation was strictly first submitted, first moderated, for a category (photos, illustrations, vectors, …).

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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I could also imagine them drowning in 'fantasy' illustrations that are not needed. On the other hand, there is so much else that would require restrictions.

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You dont know that! The reason could also be that many more people uplaod AI Generations and therefor many repetitions. That doesnt make the process more strict. When i have good Ideas that doesnt exist yet, all pictures get accepted, even bad ones. When i have perfect images but they already exist, adobe will reject alot.


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Quality issues is about quality. Not about how many people upload what. We don't know nothing for sure, we just see that assets in the past were often very bad and we saw more and more customers complaining on that. And we see here that more and more generative AI contributors are complaining that their assets do not pass anymore. What leads to the conclusion that Adobe is doing a more stringent checking with a lot more refusals then before.

 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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@Abambo"We don't know nothing for sure, we just see that assets in the past were often very bad and we saw more and more customers complaining on that."

Where did you saw that?

If i am not mistaken, you said that you are not paid by adobe?

You are not an adobe employe?

So, where did you get that information?

Also. Why do every "expert" ignores the fact that there is a mass (the same as always) of AI images still getting accepted with the plethora of defects?

If you do the "marking dust specks on ai images to explain the rejection reason" test on every new image accepted, gues what will happen?

There is noise (artifacts) on absolutly every ai image due to the technology constraints.

Noise that simply can't be edited out.

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@Abambo"We don't know nothing for sure, we just see that assets in the past were often very bad and we saw more and more customers complaining on that."

Where did you saw that?


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

Adobe operates more than one forum. 

quoteAlso. Why do every "expert" ignores the fact that there is a mass (the same as always) of AI images still getting accepted with the plethora of defects?

 


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

Why do you think that?

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If you do the "marking dust specks on ai images to explain the rejection reason" test on every new image accepted, gues what will happen?


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

You need to rephrase. this is not to understand.

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There is noise (artifacts) on absolutly every ai image due to the technology constraints.

Noise that simply can't be edited out.


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

Why do I see generative AI assets that do not expose artefacts?

 

When I submit high ISO photographs, I have a lot of noise that is inherently connected to the technology used. They get refused if I do not compensate for that. Why would that different for generative AI. Why should I have to accept as a customer bad assets, just because you say so? You can compensate any error you have in your file. It's just a question of effort you put in and talent. 

 

If assets get accepted that expose errors, then Adobe needs to check even more vigorously. It can not be used as an excuse to argue that your assets should be accepted. 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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@AbamboDo you know what are the "native" max resolutions for MJ and SD? Before upscale?

Do you know what upscale does to images?

Do you know what would happen to ai images when you try the same workflow (in regards to noise) as on RAW (camera) files? For you to even use RAW images in this discussion tells me a lot about your "expertise" level.

There is not a single AI generated imaga that would pass the original stock review.

If i need to tell you why. Well, you should look for another job then. Scratch that, job means getting payed. You dont get payed.

For now. Adobe has two choices. One is to link a disclaimer for buyers of ai assets. Second choice is to delete all fully ai generated images.

If, like you say, customers want perfect ai images.

The time of perfect high resolution ai images will come eventualy.

But until the time of consumer level GPUs with 100+ GB of memory or some tech breaktrough that will lower the need for a high power GPUs, it is what it is.

You are lacking the basic knowledge when it comes to subjects we are discussing here.

All you do is point to and circle mistakes on images that are obvious to 99% of population and send people to links that are poking the eyes of every contributor on every corner of the uploading process.

And as for me rephrasing what i wrote? You need to get a better translator. I am not your english teacher.

English is not my native language, but people seem to have no trouble in understanding what i write (without using language tools and translate).

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Community Expert ,
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quote.

And as for me rephrasing what i wrote? You need to get a better translator. I am not your english teacher.

English is not my native language, but people seem to have no trouble in understanding what i write (without using language tools and translate).


By @Svetlana28639737zwpi

The sentence does not make much sense neither in English, nor translated into German, French, Spanish, Dutch. Sorry, but I don't speak any Slavish language. Your name lets me guess that you are coming from one of the Slavish countries. I'm not a native speaker neither, and it happens, occasionally, that I write difficult to understand sentences. 

 

Nobody, except you, talked about raw images. I can also take the example of my phone camera, where a lot of the pictures would earn refusals because of the inherent technical limitations that those cameras have. I can, however, submit phone camera assets, and some will pass, if scrutinized under the same quality criteria as any other picture. Using a technology with limited capabilities is not an excuse for bad assets.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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@AbamboNobody talked about RAW images? Wait. You wrote "When I submit high ISO photographs, I have a lot of noise that is inherently connected to the technology used. They get refused if I do not compensate for that. "

Are you telling me that you shoot  JPG and submit that? Instead of developed RAW images?

I had wery low opinion about your "expertise", but if you shoot JPG? Now i am very concerned for the people that are taking your advices on these forums seriously.

 

To quote you "Using a technology with limited capabilities is not an excuse for bad assets."

And yet, adobe is still accepting ai generated images that are full of errors. Every single one of them.

Go figure. Wonder why they do that 😉

Maybe write adobe a protest note?

 

As for my sentence construction.

Checked with two native english speakers. Both of them had no problem understanding what i wrote.

Even do they don't know the first thing about the stock or adobe.

So. Maybe go past the google translate. Maybe use some of the AI ones.

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Svetlana - the experts here are not reviewers. They are not responsible for flawed images in Adobe Stock.

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Jan 11, 2024 Jan 11, 2024

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@oleschwanderWho says they are? Problem is that they act as reviewers, photogrpahy experts, economist, adobe CEO-s. That is the main problem.

But the reality is a bit different.  Like i said, now numerous times already. They lack the basic understanding of the subjects they comment about.

That may be difficult to notice by someone new in the industry.

But is is painfuly obvouis to contributers that have decades of experience.

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