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Automatische Qualitätskontrolle, Bild verrauscht

Community Beginner ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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Hallo.

Ich war dieses Jahr auf Polarlichtexkursion und hatte richtig viel Glück zur richtigen Zeit am richtigen Ort zu sein. Jetzt habe ich eine Menge Polarlichtbilder mit nach Hause genommen, im großen und ganzen bin ich mit den Bildern zu frieden. Jetzt wollte ich 2 Bilder in Stock hochladen und habe diese Warnung erhalten.

 

"Das Bild ist möglicherweise zu stark komprimiert oder verrauscht, um in die Sammlung aufgenommen zu werden. Möchten Sie sich trotzdem die Mühe machen, Stichwörter zuzuweisen?"

 

Jetzt muss ich dazu sagen, mein Equipment ist jetzt nicht Profi like, aber die Kamera kostete 2000€ und hat einen 36Mp Sensor und ist 2015 auf den Markt gekommen. Das Polarlicht ist mit entsprechend hoher Iso aufgenommen, da ich die Bewegung einfangen wollte. Ich habe mich da an hiesiege Empfehlungen aus dem Internet orientiert. Jetzt ist das ja völlig logisch das bei hohem Iso ein Rauschen entsteht, aber wenn schon eine Kamera in dem Preissegment nicht aussreichend Qualität für Adobe Stock liefert, ist das schon frustrierend für Hobbyfotografen und dann frag ich mich mit was man da bitteschön ran gehen muss um mit einem Mittleren einkommen überhaupt Stock konforme bilder zu erzeugen? 

Oder Kann man bei diesen Bildern das Rauschen anderweitig entfernen um sie Stock tauglich zu bekommen?

Danke schonmal für Feedback, ein frustrierter Hobbyfotograf.

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Enthusiast , Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021
"The image may be too compressed or noisy to be included in the collection."Getting this warning before you submit the images for review means that an algorithm has found those pictures way too noisy and it wouldn't surprise me if it had confused the stars with huge noise artifacts.That said, it is noisy. It's unavoidable when shooting in ISO as you rightly mentionned, but you can try to reduce noise as much as possible in Lightroom or other software. Among other things, do not lift the shadows ...

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Adobe Community Professional , Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021
Du kannst in Lightroom im Bereich Detail die Rauschreduzierung verwenden.

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Enthusiast ,
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"The image may be too compressed or noisy to be included in the collection."

Getting this warning before you submit the images for review means that an algorithm has found those pictures way too noisy and it wouldn't surprise me if it had confused the stars with huge noise artifacts.

That said, it is noisy. It's unavoidable when shooting in ISO as you rightly mentionned, but you can try to reduce noise as much as possible in Lightroom or other software. Among other things, do not lift the shadows up too much, that will reduce the creation of artifacts.

There is also motion blur, which would probably be enough for a rejection for "technical issues".

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My advice is, try to edit one of the series (without motion blur) a bit more to limit noise, then ignore the warning  and submit it, then wait to see if it's accepted before uploading the others (Adobe keeps track of the ratio accepted/rejected).

 

I have never shot the aurora, but night photography in particular is very difficult and requires good shooting settings and careful processing, because of high ISO and slow shutter speeds. My recommendation is to practice a lot and test different cameras settings and post-processing methods until you get the best results.

 

Hope that helps,

Michael

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Unfortunately that is not the case. The algorithm only checks the ISO. It does not matter if the photo is noisy or not. Try it out. upload a photo without noise, but before you do, edit the ISO parameter in the photo properties. Set it to 10,000. You will get the error.

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Enthusiast ,
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"The algorithm only checks the ISO."

I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing it out 😉

 

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Du kannst in Lightroom im Bereich Detail die Rauschreduzierung verwenden.

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Dieser Meldung kommt automatisch wenn der ISO über 6400 liegt. 

Einfach der ISO im Windows explorer überschreiben mit z.B. 100.

 

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As this is only a warning, you can ignore it, if you think your picture is OK. As Mat Hayward told us, the ISO has no influence on the image acceptance and I have ISO 3200 images in my portfolio, I needed, however, to apply additional noise cancellation.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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The aurora is quite beautiful, however you have subject motion in both of these images that will probably cause them to be rejected even if you can reduce the noise somewhat. In the first image, the people have ghosts, probably because they were moving and your shutter speed was slow. In the second image, the large blurry boat in the foreground is quite distracting. As others have suggested, select the best 1 or 2, carefully edit to reduce the noise and submit them to see if they are accepted before submitting any others.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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"Das Bild ist möglicherweise zu stark komprimiert oder verrauscht, um in die Sammlung aufgenommen zu werden. Möchten Sie sich trotzdem die Mühe machen, Stichwörter zuzuweisen?"


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Das ist eine Warnung und keine Fehlermeldung.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Es ist wohl etwas vermessen zu meinen, dass eine 2000 €-Kamera gute Bilder schießen muss. Der Mann oder die Frau hinter der Kamera ist immer noch entscheidend.

 

Beide Bilder haben einige Probleme. Beide Bilder sind überbelichtet und verrauscht. Außerdem fehlt es mir an Bildschärfe. Das zweite Bild hat auch noch dieses Boot im Vordergrund und stört, primär wegen der unvermeidlichen Bewegungsunschärfe.

 

Ich nehme an, dass Du RAW-Aufnahmen gemacht hast. In diesem Falle müssten sich die Bilder hervorragend editieren lassen, allerdings ist Unschärfe bei der Aufnahme kaum zu korrigieren. Entrauschen (behutsam vorgehen und eventuell verschiedenes ausprobieren, die Sterne dürfen nicht weggefiltert werden), die Belichtung anpassen und dann einen Versuch starten. Bei der Menge der Polarlichtbilder ist sicherlich eine Auswahl auf das dutzend beste Bilder möglich.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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