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First post here, Hello! Image rejection, advice needed!

Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Whilst I appreciate that the image has been taken in heavy snowfall (the effect is intentional) and the subject is still clearly seen.  In my mind, this is a great image and actually one that I'm very proud of and even one that could have done reasonably well as it's so different to the other images taken in the same area.  Maybe it's just not meant for Stock photography purposes? Maybe I've just got sentimental about it.  Thanks all!

 

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Community Expert , Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

It is a lovely scene, however when I zoom in I see a significant amount of noise. It might not be possible to reduce the noise without causing the image to be too soft.

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Hello,

Well, it depends on which side of the fence you are on.

On the one hand, it could be said that the photo is dark and gloomy. You don't have a lot of mid-tones. You could increase the whites and blacks a bit.

Another point is the white balance. In my view, it is rather green.

On the other hand, it depends on what effect you want - dark and gloomy?

For stock purposes, though, I don't think this is usable in its current state. You will need to make a few corrections.

Exposure, white balance, black and white points, etc. 

As a quick example:

 

IMG_9367exposure.jpg

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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I actually think that's closer to what was rejected.  The only copy I could find was an older version on my phone.  The whites are def brighter.  I think the attached is what was uploaded.  Will get to my laptop later...bled1.jpg

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Oddly, the image that you posted appears greener than mine on my calibrated display (on my desktop at the moment).  

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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You will need to spend a bit of time correcting the white balance and exposure - maybe some masking in some areas... I did a quick overall correction, but it needs more work. However, due to the weather, the colours will be muted - and there is nothing wrong with this.

I should have asked, what was the actual rejection reason? Quality issues? (Which I suspect.)

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Yep, correct, quality issues.  For me the white balance is where it should be, it's meant to reflect a cold dark winter's day, almost like being in a fantasy snow globe.  I'll look at doing some masking though.  I appreciate the feedback!

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Hi @jgreen0586 ,

This has the chromatic noise and blown out highlights.

Best wishes

Jacquelin

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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I agree with @ricky336 , 

it is too dark, too green/blue, needs some sharpening, the tonal range needs to be corrected, blacks, shadow, midtones, highlights and whites. I would also crop down some to reduce the empty space and emphasize the subject.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Thanks Ralph, I appreciate your input.  You may well be correct for Stock purposes, I do however feel that in terms of overall image it loses a great deal with such a crop. Maybe it's my screen but it also now looks over-sharpened - I appreciate you're just working with the Jpeg too though!

 

Many thanks 🙂

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Saying that, your crop would make a lovely Christmas card too!

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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I wouldn't crop. It's a nice picture and with some corrections it could pass. Cropping is something which is best done by the end user, if the picture uncropped looks balanced. Especially sky is important. You can easily crop, but it's difficult to add, if you would, need more sky.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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It is a lovely scene, however when I zoom in I see a significant amount of noise. It might not be possible to reduce the noise without causing the image to be too soft.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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You are correct, but that's for the most part caused by the thousands of snowflakes falling from the sky, so unfortunately it's real world noise, rather than camera/editing induced 🙂

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Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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I don't think so. If you zoom in you see very noticeable color noise. What is the ISO?

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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ISO 125

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Hello,

Unfortunately, @Jill_C  is right. There is quite a bit of noise - chromatic noise (coloured noise). I missed that in my first feedback. This is another valid reason for rejection!

See the two examples:

IMG_9367_noise.jpg

 

Noticed the coloured specks!

And now with chromatic noise reduction removed:

 

IMG_9367_noise_reduced.jpg

Even though you used a low ISO, due to the lack of light when you took this picture, noise will be noticeable.

You can't say it's 'real world noise' even though I get what you mean, but it is due to the camera sensor, and that there is a lack of light, which makes the noise more noticeable in the exposure as in this case.

Have a read about noise from Photography Life. It's a good explanation!

What Is Noise in Photography? (photographylife.com)

 

 

 

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Community Expert ,
Nov 19, 2022 Nov 19, 2022

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Noise is created by:

  • High ISO
  • long exposure
  • editing, especially increasing exposure, lifting shadows and blacks. 

I've never seen natural noise... if you exclude sensor noise.

 

 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Looking at the picture on my iPad, it looks like chromatic noise. It may well be that the sensor got fooled and the demosaicing did not work well. You can try to push the cromatic noise slider to the extremes. At some point you should get a neutral snow fall.

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Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Hi @jgreen0586 ,

The noise is not natural.

Regards

Jacquelin

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Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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I think this is a fantastic photo.  What a great scene.  
If we are going to post our versions of the photo I want in on the action.  I can't help myself, I love editing photos.

snow.jpgLR Classic settingsLR Classic settings

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Excellent! I think I may have to join the discord and share the raw file and see what people come up with, it's lovely seeing what people can do with their own take on each other's photos!

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2022 Nov 18, 2022

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Hi @jgreen0586 

The photo is underexposed and with chromatic noise.

jacquelingphoto2017_1-1668826497793.png

You need to zoom in to between 100 and 200% to look for issues. To learn how to identify these issues, go through the information at this link.

Best wishes

Jacquelin

 

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