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Question for you on a recalled image

Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2023 Oct 11, 2023

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Hi everyone, I am a bit lost because I've submitted an image created with AI and I've ticked the box (generated with AI) and I also ticked the box saying that the person represented doesn't exist (she's fictive). However the image was recalled saying that I need to attach an authorization from this person. 

...Did I miss something? I've attached the image so you can see. This image is entirely created by AI, I did not use any name of a real person in the prompt or whatsover. 

I've submitted this image about five weeks ago, but surprinsingly that was not the first image I've sent. However that was the first image that has been reviewed. I'm precising that point because I assumed that the review would work in FIFO (first in, first out) but it seems that is not the case, at least with the images I've submitted. 

It's my first image ever reviewed by Adobe (Honestly I feel a little bit like celebrating, especially because I did not think this would happen before December-January) and the good news is that it was not rejected (it appears under my "recall" folder) but I wonder what to do differently now. Should I resubmit it when I will have a chance but then, what should I do differently? I thought ticking "generated with AI" and "the person is fictive" was enough, but it seems not. 

Thanks in advance to anyone who is able to shed some light on this. 

PS - Since I had one image reviewed, I was able to send one new image for review from my waiting batch of images. 

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Community Expert , Oct 11, 2023 Oct 11, 2023

Actually, I think the Moderator chose the wrong rejection reason code. Rather than needing a model release, it has technical issues. Her eyes don't match, there is an oddly colored shadow under the chin and a crosshatch patterned texture on her chest and also her hands, and her thumbnails are flawed.

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Oct 11, 2023 Oct 11, 2023

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Actually, I think the Moderator chose the wrong rejection reason code. Rather than needing a model release, it has technical issues. Her eyes don't match, there is an oddly colored shadow under the chin and a crosshatch patterned texture on her chest and also her hands, and her thumbnails are flawed.

Jill C., Forum Volunteer

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Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2023 Oct 11, 2023

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Thank you for your feedback Jill! The image wasn't rejected tough, it was sent back with a request to attach an authorization from the model. 

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Community Expert ,
Oct 11, 2023 Oct 11, 2023

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But it still has technical issues:

IMG_1581.jpeg

 

You can now delete this asset and correct the errors, or you submit a proberty release and get this picture accepted and removed by Adobe because the first buyer notifies the errors. I for my part would correct the issues. It is not honorable, to submit assets that are not correct, just because the moderator did issue the wrong notification.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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I see no reason why this image needs a model release.

I think it could be refused for "quality".

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Explorer ,
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Thank you for your feedback Ralph! The image wasn't rejected for quality though, it was sent back with a request to attach an authorization from the model. 

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Thank you for your feedback Ralph! The image wasn't rejected for quality though, it was sent back with a request to attach an authorization from the model. 


By @Mixcity


But still it has quality issues. 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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I've had that happen to me. I simply went ahead and created a property release and resubmitted. They weren't refused, they just wanted to see a release for some reason.

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Explorer ,
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Thank you, Danielle, I was particularly waiting for your feedback as I know you've also been submitting AI images. I very much value your experience in this field.

I don't think I will resubmit this particular image for the reasons mentioned by Jill. I've worked a lot on the quality of my images since I've submitted my first ones - mostly thanks to this forum - so this is not an image that would necessary fit into my portfolio today. But it's good to know that it happened to you too. If that happens to me in the future for an image that I really like, I will keep this in mind. Thanks again for your input! 

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If model is fake, submit a signed property release by you as the creating artist.

If model is based on a real human, submit a signed model release.

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Model/Property Releases:
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/model-release.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/property-release.html

Nancy O'Shea— Product User, Community Expert & Moderator
Alt-Web Design & Publishing ~ Web : Print : Graphics : Media

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Thank you Nancy. Just to be sure I understand: I should submit a proprety release by myself (as the creative artist) if the model is fake but only when Adobe asks for it?

Because I initially thought (but maybe this is where I'm wrong) that ticking the two boxes (generated via AI + person is fictive) was avoiding the need to attach a property release.

But from the message of Danielle, I understand that sometimes Adobe asks for it anyway.

So the property release for a fake model is more (still if I have understood correctly) on a case-to-case basis (to be decided by Adobe) than a systematic requirement, right?

Otherwise, if a property release is required for all images of fake people, I will simply take down my images that are pending for review, attach a property release to each of them, and submit them again (I know I will lose my place in the review queue but I don't mind: I am not in any rush, and I prefer to do things right from the start).

Thank you in advance for your feedback!

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If you ticked the box indicating that people and property are fictional, a model release or property release is NOT required. I also suppose it's possible that you forgot to check the box, or that the Moderator made a mistake in requesting one. Nevertheless, if you want the image online you should provide the requested release. I would not advise deleting previously submitted images to add a release, since that it not required if you ticked the check box. Deleting/resubmitting images will send them to the back of the line again, and you've probably already waited awhile to have them reviewed.

Jill C., Forum Volunteer

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Explorer ,
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Hello Jill, as written to Danielle, I don't think I will resubmit this particular image for the reasons you mentioned yourself. I've worked a lot on the quality of my images since I've submitted my first ones, and also this particular image is not one that would necessary fit into my portfolio today.

With this post, I just wanted to understand if I misunderstood something in Adobe guidelines. 

Finally I did end up deleting all my 51 previous submitted images yesterday, to reupload 29 new ones that are more in line with the direction I want my portfolio to go, and which are also of better quality.

I personally don't mind waiting time for review. And in my case, as I am a first time contributor, I even believe the long review time was a good thing.

It made me realize what I wanted to create, and work not only on the content of my portfolio, but on its quality. I think quality over quantity and less is more, reason why I haven't filled yet my maximum quota of 51 images. 

And waiting for them to be reviewed, I will continue to scroll the forums to learn more 🙂 


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Oct 12, 2023 Oct 12, 2023

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With your focus on quality rather than speed and quantity, you are much more likely to achieve longer term success in Adobe Stock!

Jill C., Forum Volunteer

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Thank you very much Jill, that is what I am aiming for! 

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But from the message of Danielle, I understand that sometimes Adobe asks for it anyway.

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Moderators are humans humans make errors. For generative AI, you just tick the boxes. If you are doing a classic illustration of a portrait and the person is a fake person, you submit a property release as artist and property owner, specifying that the portrait is a fake person.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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 If that happens to me in the future for an image that I really like, I will keep this in mind. Thanks again for your input! 


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The image is nice, IMHO. But it needs some corrections. But if you delete it now, it won't appear as refused. You will have anyhow later on a nice collection of refusals.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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