Creative Suite vs. InDesign CS vs. Illustrator CS bundled fonts

[Thomas Phinney]

This is a complicated issue, which I hope can be clarified by this summary.

With InDesign CS by itself, there are 66 fonts, many of which are new for the CS version. Apparently these are included with the educational version as well. This includes fonts from the Adobe Jenson Pro, Lithos Pro, Myriad Pro and Trajan Pro families. See here for a complete list:

Thomas Phinney, "InDesign CS bundled OpenType fonts" #, 18 Oct 2003 12:26 am">Thomas Phinney "InDesign CS bundled OpenType fonts" 10/18/03

With Illustrator CS by itself, there are 102 fonts, about 31 of which do not overlap with the fonts bundled with InDesign CS. This includes fonts from the Chaparral Pro and Charlemagne Std families. See here for a complete list:

Thomas Phinney "Illustrator CS bundled OpenType fonts" 10/18/03

The other CS apps do not individually add meaningfully to the bundled font count.

However, with the Creative Suite as a package, there are up to 211 fonts: the 138 fonts included with the individual apps; the Warnock Pro Opticals set (32 fonts); plus if you register online in the US and Canada, you can download the Brioso Pro Opticals fonts (42 fonts). Note that Brioso is one of several choices you have of registration incentives, and you need to be sure to look for and follow the link! You can get it later from your main store registration page if you miss it the first time, though.

The standard edition and premium edition of the suite have the same font bundle.

Details on the full bundle are here:
Thomas Phinney, "211 OpenType fonts available with Creative Suite" #28, 18 Oct 2003 11:07 am">Thomas Phinney "211 OpenType fonts bundled with Creative Suite" 10/18/03 11:07am

Regards,

T

Thomas W. Phinney
Fonts Program Manager
Adobe Systems

[_Victor_Caston_]

Sorry to keep picking at this carcass, but was there ever a clarification about Brioso Pro and the educational version of the CS suite?

(Given the existence of Type Classics for Learning, I *think* Brioso Pro is the only new one to pick up for educational discount folks like myself.)

Victor

[Thomas Phinney]

AFAIK, the registration incentive applies to both regular retail and educational purchases. But I am checking to be sure.

T

[Just_A_Mac_Guy]

Your efforts are appreciated, Thomas...

[_Pam_Bishop_]

42 Brioso opticals? I'm going to shoot myself. I registered CS Premium online, didn't read the copy about the gifts closely enough. Having previously purchased the complete Brioso Pro package plus Poster Light, I thought I was eschewing redundancy by electing the magazine! Oh for the Opticals! And I think Brioso, both Roman and Italic, is Robert Slimbach's masterpiece. It preexisted in the ether somewhere as the Platonic idea of a certain Renaissance type-form, somehow already familiar when given digital substance.

[D__McCahill]

Pam. Did you shoot yourself yet? I hope not. Read the thread about 212 Open Type fonts first ... at least the last 10 messages ... it is a long thread. Someone else order the mag, and reveals how to get the fonts as well.

[_Pam_Bishop_]

Don, Thank you very much indeed for that tip. I'm delighted. Did not shoot myself--cats objected, didn't want to be put to the trouble of interviewing for another caterer.
Again, Thanks.

[Neil_Keller]

On one hand, I went there just for the free fonts. After reviewing the choices, that was still my first choice.

Adobe says "choose one." All I can say is let your conscience be your guide.

Neil
Forum Host

[BobLevine]

> Adobe says "choose one."

Correct. But they didn't say how many times.

Bob

[_Pam_Bishop_]

Well, Neil, you have the right of it. For curiosity's sake, does the gift copy stipulate the complete opticals? I suppose I just didn't read closely enough.

[Neil_Keller]

Pam,

According to Thomas, it's Brioso Pro Opticals fonts (42 fonts).

That's a lot of type to drop on the composing room floor!

Neil

[Thomas Phinney]

Yup, it's the whole set, including also the two "Poster" fonts.

T

[BobLevine]

Yes, 42 in all and it does include the poster fonts.

Bob

[LRK_2]

Here is a rough table I put together that helps compare what fonts you get with each:

http://graphicspalmbeach.com/forum/fonts/fonts.html

[Thomas Phinney]

That's a nice reference. You might want to delete the ".otf" extensions in the middle column (or add them to the other two columns) just for consistency.

T

[LRK_2]

Okay

[Neil_Keller]

Linda,

Thanks for the "cheat sheet"!

Neil

[LRK_2]

You're welcome.

[LRK_2]

I did some much needed maintenance on my Web site the other night and lost the font list. It's now back up again.

Here is the link again: http://www.graphicspalmbeach.com/forum/fonts/fonts.html

[_John_L_Randolph_]

Mr. Phinney, have you been able to determine yet if the educational version also has the opportunity to get the Brioso fonts upon registration? Thanks for all your informative input on this & other messages.

[_Amy_Rothstein_]

But where are these fonts? I installed everything on the CS disks, including the extras. I even loaded up the installer again and didn't see any new options. I have some of them, but I don't have others.

[_Guy_Smiley_]

They get installed to the Program Files/Common Files/Adobe/Fonts directory.

[Steve Werner]

Guy listed the path for Windows.

Or, on the Macintosh the fonts get installed to Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts

[_Norris_Siert_]

My Mac version of Adobe Creative Suite only contains the Warnock Pro font set. Having been informed by Adobe (and Apple) that Postscript Type 1 fonts were no longer supported in Panther, I was hoping that the CS fonts would get me started replacing some old favorites. But they are not there. The "Classroom in a Book" series suggests doing a custom install to install just the fonts but that is not an option, at least with the CS installer. Perhaps it is with the individual programs.

Is there a way for Mac users to get some or all of these bundled fonts without buying them individually from Adobe?

Norris Siert, first time purchaser.

[Dov Isaacs]

For the record, both Adobe applications and MacOS X 10.3 (i.e., "Panther") fully support Type 1 fonts. We would be very interested in knowing which "experts" at Adobe and/or Apple told you otherwise. Or perhaps you misunderstood them?

- Dov