Yeah, I know the practical side of it, how it behaves, but I have no clue about the rocket science behind it . That's more up your alley. Luckily, the functional concepts are beautifully simple and logical. Anyway, I'm flattered. I still don't understand why color management discussions are so inflammable. They always tend to get the blood pressure up - yes, mine too, I'm no better. As witnessed above. I promise to behave ... View more

Lundberg: Dont "for ******* 's sake" me. And don't "Read. Understand. See" me. I know perfectly well how this stuff works. I know perfectly well what happens when you use this type of profile for that and vice versa. It's so basic I didn't even comment on it. I'm trying to be pragmatic in a situation where the OP does not have and is at present not able to get a calibrator. I'm just trying to keep him floating in the meantime. ... View more

Incidentally, this is why camera calibration is a totally different meal than monitor calibration. The mechanism works in reverse. ... View more

Hudechrome wrote: Actually, I'm trying to uncomplicate it by insisting on calibration first, and offering reasons why. Yes, that's a good approach This should put it all in perspective: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_constancy Looking at the monitor you essentially have no context to judge color by, and that's when color constancy kicks in: a fresh green apple will look fresh green even under a strong overall color cast. Put that image on a white piece of paper, however, and the apple is suddenly not so tempting. Color constancy is broken with the context. This is why we use calibrators. They don't suffer from color constancy. It doesn't really matter if they're not perfect, they still perform much better than the eye and brain do, even under the most favorable circumstances. ... View more

Tafflad, in your situation I would try Calibrize, but make sure you start with Adobe RGB. Use the plain one, I've no idea where the other one comes from. And also keep in mind what I wrote above: anything that is not color managed, like Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer, will be over-saturated and wrong on that monitor. But Photoshop will display correctly. One alternative approach is to look for the monitor's sRGB preset in the OSD menus. This will effectively turn it into a standard gamut monitor, and will solve some of the more immediate problems, and will also allow you to use sRGB as the monitor profile. ... View more

Hudechrome wrote Let's not overcomplicate this. The main point I was trying to make re calibration and wide gamut monitors, is that you don't have an immediate reference for the colors if you're inexperienced. It's like free fall, there's nothing to hold on to. All the basic stuff that with a standard gamut monitor displays more or less right, is suddenly wrong. A calibrator gives you that reference. But you need one more thing: you need to know that with that monitor only color managed material will look right. Anything that is not will simply be wrong and there's nothing to do about it. This is why these monitors aren't for everyone. So who needs to calibrate? I think it depends on what environment you're in, and what your end product is. If you're in a production chain where you rely on others and others rely on you, there's really no choice. You just have to be on the same page as everybody else; if you're not the whole production line stops dead. Wasted time and money. If you control the whole process yourself things are different. As long as the end product, like a print, comes out right, it doesn't really matter how you got there. If you work for web or other types of networking, you're somewhere in between, but mostly because it's uncontrollable anyway. When color management becomes mainstream on the web, standards inevitably tighten. ... View more

As for software calibrators similar to Adobe Gamma, there is this: http://calibrize.com/ But you would have to start by pinning down the RGB primaries, which these solutions won't do for you. Adobe RGB won't be far off, so if you make the profile based on that it should work reasonably well. Still, it's a halfway solution. I'd like to repeat what I wrote above for emphasis: Wide gamut monitors introduce a whole new playing field. A lot of things one could previously take for granted are no longer valid. A calibrator should really be included in the deal (which it usually is for the more high-end units). ... View more

The type of connection (DVI or VGA) has no bearing on this. Wide gamut means the monitor can reproduce a wider range of colors - more saturated -  than a standard gamut monitor. The difference is similar to the difference between the sRGB and Adobe RGB color spaces. Here's one way to illustrate it: A monitor profile will take this into account and remap the colors accordingly so that colors that fit into the display gamut will display correctly in either case. Colors that are outside the display gamut will be "clipped" to the gamut boundary. But if you use the wrong profile this remapping breaks down, and things will appear either over- or undersaturated. Does this make any sense? ... View more

I googled SM226CW and came up with a model that appears to be wide gamut. In that case you shouldn't use sRGB as replacement for the Samsung profile - Adobe RGB would be a closer match. But with wide gamut monitors you buy into a different paradigm (so to speak) than the traditional one. The only sensible thing is really to use a calibrator, use color managed applications whenever possible, and ignore what you see in those that aren't (because it just won't be right no matter what). ... View more

B__R wrote: …I imported a raw (Adobe RGB tagged) image of grass into LR… He probably misunderstands the in-camera setting for color space, which as we both know applies only to camera-processed jpegs. ... View more

So is it intended to replace this one? It looks like a second parallell forum to me (arbitrary sample): ... View more

Tangentially: everybody should also be aware that images as directly displayed are untagged, even if a profile is embedded in the submitted file. The profile kicks in when you click to bring up the full version. At least it works that way in Firefox. This matters mostly to people with wide gamut monitors, but those with standard gamut might want to keep it in the back of their heads. ... View more

I have wondered about this too, and posted some test images in the testing forum. It seems landscape images above 450 pixels are still scaled to 450. But images that are prepared to 450 pixels then get scaled to 310! Why is that? 310, however, is left alone, so that appears to be the practical target size. Vertically the limit seems to be 600. ... View more

Hudechrome wrote: The other fussbudget item is X-Rite. I doesn't like calibrating LCD. It manages to skip over steps along the way, and if I hadn't the experience and expectations step to step with my crt, I would probably be returning the Dell at this time. The differences from the data pov between my Custom and Average should be barely visible, but in fact, it is visually significant. Normal conclusions would hold the monitor at fault. Off to contact X-Rite Could it be that the problem is not LCD, but LED? I've known for some time that older colorimeters had trouble with wide gamut, but lately I've heard that many of them also have difficulties with LED backlight, even in standard gamut. I don't recall what sensor you're using, but AFAIK the Spyder3 was the first that was specifically made for wide gamut (and presumably LED). A black to white gradient should give you some clues. If it looks good, with no sudden transitions or color shifts, you can probably trust the profile. ... View more

Leave it in ProPhoto. You never know what the future brings ... View more

Hudechrome wrote: what are the cons to your Eizo (and which one?) Well, the S2243 is a PVA monitor, and PVA panels will always have some trouble in the deep shadows. But I knew that before I bought it, so it was no surprise. I've learned to interpret - and trust - the histogram to get my black levels right. It's not a problem. The EV2335 that I use at home is IPS and probably comparable to your U2412. Since the price is less than half that of the S2243, I'm sure it has to be inferior in a whole number of ways, but I'll be damned if I can see how...except that it's standard gamut of course. But pricing is a mystery to me. In general monitors become cheaper and cheaper, and generally Eizo has dropped dramatically in the last year or so. But some models go up and down without any apparent pattern, even directly from Eizo Norway. And one webshop sold the same model in black and gray for an extended period - at 30% price difference! And the funny thing is that the more expensive one went out first...food for thought... Edit: there is one other thing: the EV2335 cannot be hardware calibrated to monitor LUT, it has to go via the video card. Not even the Eizo easy-pix (still hate that name) calibrator will do it. ... View more

Hudechrome wrote: it's not a Lacie or certainly not Eizo One thing that was sort of missing in all the monitor discussions we had on the Windows forum is this: It is perfectly possible to do fine work on a less-than-perfect monitor, as long as you can identify the shortcomings and find ways to work around them. Although I'm happy with my particular Eizo, that's not to say it doesn't have its own shortcomings, so it's not an Eizo either . ... View more

That's a good deal. Here in Norway it's $550 (and the U2410 by comparison $830). Enjoy! ... View more

Try Select > Reselect. But even if you save and reload the selection you could make an action to kick in after you've made the initial selection. Then it's just one keyboard shortcut (if you assign one). If you want to reuse the action in complex layer structures it should be possible if you include renaming the layers in the action. The action will work on specific layer names. You'll have to try it out; actions are powerful but have limitations. ... View more

I believe "deactivate permanently" will kick out the serial. Then you put in the new serial on next launch. ... View more

Wide gamut is very nice if you have it, especially for someone like me who work mostly for offset print and usually stay in Adobe RGB throughout. But I'd still put it pretty far down on the priorities list. I managed very well without it. So if you have your hands on a 2412 and it's otherwise good, I'd say go for it. ... View more

Curt Y wrote: I was around in the "old days" and the discussions, in at least the Photoshop forum, were on are a different deeper level. So was I. I think this is generally true, but not because all the people with deep knowledge left. Some did, but others took their place. I think it has to do with the present high turnover more than anything else - and it is much higher than it used to be. New questions come in at such a fast rate that there is simply no time to go in-depth, unless you can spend all your time here. That said, the points and the salami slices and all that didn't actually help. Although most people don't care about that nonsense, enough did to change the tone of the proceedings. There was suddenly a rush to get there first, and that change was very obvious to all who had been around for a while. Anyway, off to do the Christmas thing...have a nice one everybody. ... View more

LOL, I saw that coming... ... View more

Jacob Bugge wrote This describes my expectations for the merged Ps forum well. ... View more