The other major hole is that the OP did not specify a case. After all, it is not recommended to run a PC with no tower case whatsoever. And some cases are too cramped on the inside to accommodate all of the components in your planned build (for example, the case that the builder provides might be too cramped from front to rear to even fit a GTX 570 unless two or more hard drives are completely removed from the system). Furthermore, some cases have very poor airflow, causing the internal components of the PC to run significantly hotter than they should. ... View more

As Bill stated, there are a few holes in the specs of your planned editing PC. Especially in the disk configuration: A RAID 01 is a pair of striped disks that are mirrored to another striped pair. This gives you the speed of a two-disk aid0 but with four disks and the total capacity of only two disks. So, you'd end up with a four-disk setup with only 2TB total capacity. ... View more

RjL190365 wrote: Note that this hack will not work with any of the Kepler-based GTX 600 series or most GT 600 series cards at the present time: RayTracer does not currently run properly on Kepler. The only GT 600-series cards that the hack will work properly on are the GT 645 (which is the new name for the GTX 560 SE) and the 192-bit DDR3 version of the GT 640 (which is the new name for the GT 545 DDR3). That applied only to version 11.0.0 of After Effects CS6. Today, a new 11.0.1 update was released, and now the Kepler cards will work with the RayTracer feature. However, among the new Kepler GPUs only the GTX 680 is officially supported for RayTracer GPU acceleration in this release; GTX 670 and GTX 690 users must still apply the "raytracer_supported_cards.txt" hack to enable GPU acceleration. ... View more

Arnold, There is a "hack" to enable RayTracer CUDA GPU support in After Effects, similar to the CUDA hack to enable MPE GPU acceleration in Premiere Pro for those cards that are not officially on Adobe's supported cards list. It's called "raytracer_supported_cards.txt" and is located in the "Program Files\Adobe\Adobe After Effects CS6\Support Files" folder. Open the "raytracer_supported_cards.txt" file as Administrator (this is done by right-clicking on the file and then clicking "Open as administrator"), then add the line "GeForce 560 Ti" (in the case of your particular GPU) to the list of files (which by default is the same as Premiere Pro's official list of supported cards). Save the file. Note that this hack will not work with any of the Kepler-based GTX 600 series or most GT 600 series cards at the present time: RayTracer does not currently run properly on Kepler. The only GT 600-series cards that the hack will work properly on are the GT 645 (which is the new name for the GTX 560 SE) and the 192-bit DDR3 version of the GT 640 (which is the new name for the GT 545 DDR3). ... View more

czarek jb wrote: Nicol Simard wrote: Take a look at http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-2.php. The best AMD machine ranks 377 out of 868. AMD computers simply do not compare to an Intel rig. In this rank you have old generation AMD CPUs only. Actually, there are now a few FX series (Bulldozer/Zambezi) AMD CPUs on the chart. In that rank the fastest of the three PCs that are powered by such a CPU ranks only 437 out of 868. ... View more

Yes, Windows 7 64-bit with Service Pack 1 is absolutely required to even run Premiere Pro CS6 at all. It will not even run at all with an older OS or with any 32-bit OS, and the program might not even install at all in such older OSes. ... View more

Dorothy, You will likely pay around a 30 percent premium for going 4x8 instead of 8x4. However, this will give you room to expand whereas going with 8x4 would require you to completely replace some or all of those sticks just to expand RAM. ... View more

DeePeeBee wrote: If I had 24 gb of existing COMPATIBLE memory, I would start with that rather than buy an 8x4 set, the WS mobo has memory configurations for 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8 sticks. Then if 24 GB isn't enough and you need to go to 32 you could then buy a 4x8 set and then eventually add another 4x8 to get to 64 (although I have read that sometimes adding an unmatched set just doesn't work, so that's somewhat of a gamble). Dorothy, The only problem with that is that the memory controller bandwidth will be reduced if you're not using RAM in sets of four on this platform. For example, if you're using six sticks, what the LGA 2011 memory controller does is map part of the installed memory as quad-channel and the remainder as single-channel. So, with 6x4, only 16GB will be mapped as full quad-channel while the remaining 8GB will be mapped as single-channel. (Obviously, using that system with only one or two sticks will result in the memory controller be constrained to single- or dual-channel mode, respectively.) Also, the LGA 2011 platform does not officially support a three-stick memory configuration because the memory controller does not have a triple-channel mode. Only single, dual or quad channel configurations are supported. ... View more

Jim Simon wrote: For an occasional user 50% faster does not mean much No, it would.  But you didn't get 50% faster than the 560 with the 680. Yes, Bill's "50%" figure is relative to the percentage points worth of improvement over software-only MPE. He was using software-only MPE as a starting point. ... View more

lasvideo wrote: RJL - Arent pros that dont sell there work called hobbyists  True. But some people lump hobbists together with fumble-fingered amateurs. And that's another thing that I shudder at. With that said, I'm done with this thread until I have something more useful to contribute. ... View more

Fair enough. And not all pros sell their work, and thus those pros make no money at all whatsoever (at least from video work). And like Todd, I stand in disbelief when I see people on other threads obsess over the sheer performance of their PCs without mentioning their generally mediocre to poor workflow decisions. ... View more

I actually responded to Todd's post, not your post. ... View more

Not only that, but sometimes work doesn't get done on time simply because the PC that one is using simply can't keep up with the demands of the material that (s)he is working with. This could lead to a money-losing habit - so much that (s)he might as well pack it in. Or it could lead to overreaction - spending an astronomical amount of money on the fastest PC out there. ... View more

On the other hand, a lot of people spend so much money on fast equipment only to lose money and go completely bankrupt. Remember, for every user making money with judicious use of expensive fast PC components there are dozens or even hundreds that fail and go bankrupt. In fact, there are lots of people who are actually wasting money just to even have the fastest PC out there - so much that many people who have the very slowest of current-generation PCs or even old-generation PCs who are actually far more productive. In this case, then, it boils down to the quality of the work that each individual is doing. Remember, a fast PC does not guarantee even good results, let alone great results. ... View more

Thanks, Bill, for your testing. This means that the GTX 680 is still not worth the premium at its current street price. It needs to be priced about $100 lower just to compete with the GTX 560 Ti 448 in terms of overall bang for the buck. And those results only confirm that any CUDA GPU with less than 192 CUDA cores on a PC with a highly overclocked CPU or an expensive high-performance CPU might as well be forced to use CPU-only: The GPU results would have been slower than the CPU-only results with such cheapo GPUs. ... View more

Yes, Bill, the GTX 680 may be a gamers' and Premiere Pro users' dream. However, it is relatively weak in some other applications that take full advantage of the compute capabilities even when compared to some of the older and lower-end GeForce GPUs. This is a GPU that for now I'd place in "great for gaming and Premiere, weak on everything else" category. ... View more

Actually, Alan, yes, there is a specific requirement for Extended ATX: The E-ATX case has eight total expansion slots. Standard ATX cases have only seven total expansion slots. E-ATX cases must accept E-ATX or any of the smaller variants of ATX. ... View more

Jim Simon wrote: The computer tech guy said a hack had the potential to crash my system He was not correct about that. I'd venture there are probably more hacked cards in use out there than officially supported cards.  I mean, there's only three non-Quardo, still in production cards on that list. Actually, only two. The GTX 470 is EOL (meaning that it's no longer in production, but may still be available at some resellers). ... View more

For now, that's your only option. At least on initial release, the Adobe list of supported cards in CS6 for Windows remains completely unchanged from CS5.5. And it beats me that Adobe has certified the Quadro 2000 - a GPU that's based on a much less powerful GPU than the GTX 560 Ti (in this case, the Quadro 2000 is based on an underclocked GTS 450) - in addition to certifying the GTX 570 and GTX 580. (And as I noted, the GTX 680 is not included because it is still too new to have been tested sufficiently by Adobe engineers.) ... View more

Search the forums for "CUDA" and "hack". The GTX 560 Ti is not on the official list of supported GPUs in Premiere Pro CS5.5; however, you can make MPE GPU acceleration work with that GPU with the CUDA hack. ... View more

While what you stated is true for the Seasonic, it is not true for the many "650W" PSUs that can barely handle 450W under realistic conditions. ... View more

eclipse_crow wrote: Swapping out a PSU is akin to getting an upgraded engine and not using a completely different car from a cheaper manufacturer of a smaller format! The OP has a Seasonic PSU and they are Mercedes class let’s say so I suggest a better analogy is this: Take a C class Mercedes and compare one with an entry level engine and one with an upgraded engine. Is the entry level engine less reliable? No. Is the entry level engine less efficient? For the same engine type it’s generally more efficient. Is the entry level engine noisier? For the same engine type generally not. On the other hand, if a given car ships with an underpowered engine as its entry level engine, then it will be significantly noisier and less efficient - and it may very well be ill-suited for highway driving because it cannot reach typical highway speeds reliably. This is the situation if an even lower-wattage PSU from the same manufacturer is used - one that turned out to be unable to handle a typical editing system configuration. (That analogy is similar to a car that's equipped with an engine that's mismatched to the weight of the vehicle.) And yes, a 1700W power supply that's outputting no more than 350W most of the time is like putting an 8.6L V12 engine in a Ford Mondeo/Fusion. ... View more

Ed, The M12II 620 is as I described in my last post: For all practical purposes, it is a 80-Plus Bronze certified PSU with a single +12V rail rated at 48A (576W). It should be enough for most Premiere Pro hardware configurations although it will consume slightly more AC wattage from the wall than PSUs with a Gold or Platinum rating at the same DC wattage output. As for SpeedGrade, there is no software-only mode. If it detects a non-CUDA GPU or a GPU that doesn't support it, SpeedGrade is simply disabled. ... View more

Ed.Macke wrote: I'm glad to hear somebody else likes Seasonic. When I was building my rig, Seasonic was not a brand that came up a lot in the various builder forums. But I did a lot of homework and it seemed like a good choice so I went for it. To be certain I suggest checking what the 12V rail is for your PSU. It has (2) +12V rails, each at 24A. Doing the math real quick seems to mean 576W DC. Actually, with most "multi-rail" PSUs, never add up the two rails together. However, in the case of both the S12-II and M12-II 620W PSUs, the two "24A" rails do add up. In this case, both of the "rails" are connected to a common +12V output transformer whose maximum capacity just happens to be 48A (576W). And each of the two "rails" have an OCP (Over-Current Protection) circuit set at 24A. However, someone else dissected that Seasonic PSU, and actually found it to have just a single 48A +12V rail. No separate rails, no separate OCP circuit. Thus, for all practical purposes, the Seasonic 620W PSU is a single-rail PSU with 48A on the +12V. ... View more

eclipse_crow wrote: Power supplies are rated for DC output whereas most reviews measure the AC input. There used to be a big difference between the two but with the advent of Gold and Platinum rated PSUs the difference can be 10% or less. Since you have a SeaSonic 620W PSU who are one of the top manufactures (retail and ODM) I suggest that 620W is more than adequate to run a GTX 570. To be certain I suggest checking what the 12V rail is for your PSU. You would be unlikely to pull more than 400W DC at peak and typically under 350W DC at load so a high quality 620W such as you have gives a lot of headroom. There are a lot of people that are seemingly ‘scared’ of power supplies and think you need a 100% headroom to be safe. A quality PSU such as you have is designed to run at its rated output safely. If you had a cheapo unit that would be different. You have a very large margin anyway so even the scared crowd would need to be particularly paranoid to be scared here. 350W load versus 620W rating equals 56% of the maximum rating for the PSU. To make a car analogy: If you buy a $30k car (analogous to a 620W PSU) and drive it to 56% of the 7,000 rpm red line (~3,900 rpm) is it any less reliable than a $60k car (analogous to a 1.2kW PSU) driven only to say 28% (half the rating) of the same red line (~1,950 rpm)? If both cars are reliable brands then it’s really not an issue surely. Bravo. The power supply calculators have to account for the fact that there are many mediocre-quality PSUs still sold today that cannot handle more than about 60 to 70 percent of their rated wattage (for example, a few cheap "700W" PSUs can't really handle more than 500W). In fact, a few PSU calculators take into account really bad-quality PSUs that could barely handle even half of their ratings (for example, a "650W" PSU that barely handles 300 to 350W under realistic conditions). ... View more

Thanks, Dave, for the update. ... View more

Thanks. It makes sense to not enable OpenCL MPE GPU acceleration support for the Windows edition of Premiere since OpenCL for Windows still hasn't matured enough. And with the current state of Windows' OpenCL drivers, the fastest AMD GPU in the OpenCL-enabled MPE GPU-acceleration mode would still have performed slower than an NVIDIA CUDA GPU that costs half as much money in the CUDA-specific MPE GPU acceleration mode. Although I have now managed to (semi-)permanently lock my particular CS5.5 installation to the MPE software-only mode regardless of the GPU by completely deleting the cuda_supported_cards.txt file. This occurred on my auxiliary editing rig. ... View more

Why?  Wil Rencez has already suggested it may well be possible for Mac users to 'hack' additional Radeons. Thanks for the clarification. Jim. Unfortunately, there will be no such OpenCL hack for the Windows version of Premiere Pro CS6 because such support will not be initially included with this edition. However, OpenCL support in the Windows edition of Premiere Pro CS6 may be added in a future update. And what Todd stated about OpenCL support in the OSX edition of Premiere reflects the fact that hacks to enable GPU acceleration support are (or will not be) officially supported by Adobe itself. This means that if any problems arise from such a hack, technical support may be denied until the hack is completely reversed. ... View more

John T Smith wrote: For what you will do, do NOT buy Quadro! As Harm would say... over priced and under specced Actually, this may change with CS6: It may make excellent use of certain capabilities of the Quadro that are seriously lacking in the GeForce. But we will not know for sure until the first few batches of results appear on the PPBM6 results list. If what I stated proves true, then the performance ranking may very well go strictly by price, where a Quadro 2000 performs roughly equal to a current-gen GeForce of equal price. ... View more