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Aug 30, 2017
08:36 AM
Hey D Fosse, yes DISCUS is expensive I agree. The glass filters and temperature sensor, development and build quality for a small market device are likely to blame. Nice that it's out there though, also that Eizo support it as an instrument in Colordege. have a good week thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Aug 29, 2017
04:33 AM
Hi DFosse, The best sensor? I'd say that's the basICColor DISCUS. It has pro level pricing though. DISCUS was a selected by high end proofing company gmg for their softproofing system, which has to say a lot. "Proven Stability: Using premium coated optical glass filters, and combination with sensors offering high inter-instrument agreement, the DISCUS guarantees long life stability. Each device is individually calibrated and can also be recertified. This provides peace of mind that the measurements and results achieve the highest possible standard." "Lab-grade Precision: The DISCUS is the only competitive device offering a temperature sensor, which combined with unique circuitry, compensates for device warming that occurs during the course of repeated measurements. The device maintains perfect reference to absolute black and insures accuracy in the shadow region measurements." more here: basICColor DISCUS highly accurate measurement sensor for display system calibration | colourmanagement.net thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Aug 27, 2017
11:46 PM
Hi, I reckon a decent starting point at an entry level cost would be the Datacolor Spyder 5, I've seen good resilts with those, especially when the Soyder 5 colorimeter is used with a subsequent upgrade to my favourite display software "basICColor display". so that's my recommendation. Do it in 2 stages over time. At a slightly higher price the XRite i1 display pro is worth a look As I am sure many will point out. Again I prefer to run the colorimeter with basICColor software. if you are in Europe and contact me directly I can give you a -20% discount code for the spyder. I hope that helps, please mark as helpful if so if youre OK now, please mark as answered so others can see theres useful info in this thread. best of luck neil barstow colourmanagement
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Aug 23, 2017
05:28 AM
Hi Kerry, I'd say D Fosse has answered your question well. That’s a good explanation neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Jul 25, 2017
09:34 AM
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Jul 25, 2017
09:34 AM
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Hia AdamK, there's a bit more to it than that with Pantone colours and print. if it is set up in a document and printed as a "spot-colour" then it should indeed print right. If it's to be made up from the CMYK inks you (or someone in the workflow) then need(s) to control that. Hex, yeah I guess you could do it that way. Choose a hex colour you like and just go with it, if it looks tight on your screen (viewed in a web browser) then others will likely experience something similar.. HIH I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful", so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Jul 25, 2017
04:32 AM
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Jul 25, 2017
04:32 AM
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Hi adamk Pantone swatches match specially mixed Pantone inks when printed onto a specific paper. When considering the nearest value to that Pantone colour in the RGB or CMYK colourspace, we need to take into account the icc profile of the CMYK or RGB colourspace. For example the same actual visual colour in either sRGB or Adobe RGB colourspace has different numbers. Same goes for CMYK which is actually a recipe (in simplified terms) for the amounts of each of specific inks when printed onto specific paper at specific densities. I suspect that your Illustrator colour settings for RGB and CMYK are different to your Photoshop ones. In the RGB and CMYK colour spaces the numbers related to a colour are far from unequivocal unless an ICC profile is provided to reference those numbers against an unequivocal space such as XYZ or L*a*b*. I have written something about that here: about icc colour profiles, icc profiles explained | colourmanagement.net I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Jul 25, 2017
04:22 AM
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Jul 25, 2017
04:22 AM
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Hi Greg if your images are greyscale then you'll need to convert to a colour mode like RGB to allow colour to be added. Have a look under image / mode - is the "mode" greyscale? If so change it there to RGB. Is that working? I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Jun 20, 2017
04:50 AM
Hi Catherine great so that rules out one possible issue I think. on my system the appearance is very similar between those applications so there is plainly an issue with your system I would indeed follow DFosse's advice and recalibrate then go from there.
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Jun 18, 2017
03:20 AM
Hi Catherine When I view that image in Bridge and in Camera RAW I see the same appearance throughout. However, try this, in Photoshop make a copy of my test-image, go to edit / convert to profile - and convert to sRGB save the file with a new name, I suggest you include "sRGB" in there now open the sRGB version in Bridge and in ACR. I'd be interested to know if that makes any difference? I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Jun 16, 2017
04:31 AM
Hi Catherine, D Fosse has made some helpful suggestions. Rather than using your own photo or n image you've created, I would take a known "test" image and use that to make some checks, [a "test" image is useful because it's generally a composite of various images including skin-tone and other "memory colours" - which means that even without a reference proof print you can tell pretty much is the appearance is in the ballpark.] - you can download my test image in CMYK or RGB as preferred here for free: [ downloads | colourmanagement.net ]. Next, open that image in all the apps you are having issues with and compare the appearance. Photoshop would be the reference application if I were making this test. Note: If an app warns you about the document (image) causing an embedded profile mismatch, then just accept the document's embedded profile. Maybe do that test now, then calibrate the Benq and repeat the test. Testing and good notes are the secret behind a lot of such issues. Using V2 profiles [in this case your display profile] is a good policy generally, as D Fosse wrote, V4 ICC profiles can cause issues with some applications. Please let us know how you get on. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful", so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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in Photoshop ecosystem Bugs
May 04, 2017
12:59 AM
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May 04, 2017
12:59 AM
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Hi Jack Thanks for your thanks - please would you be so kind as to mark my earlier reply as "helpful". it's thanks that make the world go round ';~} As you do not have the option to alter the cursor colour, why not change the image temporarily whilst you get rid of the faults? How about this, add a temporary "adjustment layer" to your original image that needs to be retouched, using that layer, adjust the tone or perhaps even add colour - your cursor will show now. next finish the retouch and discard the temporary adjustment layer. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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in Photoshop ecosystem Bugs
May 03, 2017
02:00 PM
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May 03, 2017
02:00 PM
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Hi Jackm does this help at all, I fear it's all that's available in options, but may not offer all the options you'd like?: Work with Cursors Options Click the Edit (Win) or Photoshop (Mac) menu, point to Preferences, and then click Cursors. Select the Painting Cursors options you want to use: Standard. ... Select the Other Cursors options you want to use: Standard. ... Click OK. Click to view larger image. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 30, 2017
09:15 AM
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Apr 30, 2017
09:15 AM
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Hi
gongtaow17532299, I can't see anything wrong with those profiles in my tests using the very capable "Colorthink".. Sorry I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 26, 2017
11:16 AM
Hi I'll have a look at the profile structure Monday. Travelling this week, my apologies. Neil Barstow colourmanagement
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Apr 19, 2017
12:42 AM
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Apr 19, 2017
12:42 AM
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Hi So you have a Windows problem, it's not a Photoshop issue, it seems as the profile fault / error is system wide. I am still unsure as to why you want to "work" in a printer colourspace. however, you'll certainly need to convert during the print process so the profile needs to work. If you upload it I will look at it (and maybe fix it) as I suggested earlier, but it does seem that your W10 installation may be at fault here. Perhaps a clean install is needed. good luck I hope this helps, If so please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now as: "correct answer" so that others can track down this thread if they have similar issues. Thanks Neil Barstow, colourmanagement.net
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Apr 18, 2017
11:11 PM
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Apr 18, 2017
11:11 PM
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Hi gongtaow Please give an English translation of the error message. Is it actually a CMYK profile you made? You can't load an RGB profile there in the CMYK slot. Please upload the profile you made somewhere so I can download and check it for errors for you. WeTransfer maybe? Please mark as helpful if it is';~} I am unsure why you want to edit a file in the printer's CMYK Colour space. Working in RGB and converting a file at the end of editing is a more regular way of working. Otherwise you have an edited file that's only suitable for that one printer / paper! However if you do want to edit in printer Colour space then try this: Can you "assign" the profile in the edit / assign profile dialog? Or convert to it if your file is RGB? That may be more correct than setting a printer profile you made as the default CMYK anyway. That default CMYK (sometimes called the CMYK workingspace) slot is normally reserved for a standard CMYK profile like ISO coated or SWOP coated. I hope this helps, If so please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now as: "correct answer" so that others can track down this thread if they have similar issues. Thanks Neil Barstow, colourmanagement.net ';~}
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Apr 18, 2017
10:08 AM
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Apr 18, 2017
10:08 AM
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Hi Martino Please open the RGB Jpeg then open Photoshop's levels adjustment window [the method below doesn't work with CMYK files] now in levels, move inwards either of the upper sliders [those sliders adjust INPUT levels] do this whilst holding do the alt or option key on your keyboard holding down that key gives the clipping display, areas shown as solid are "clipped" [clipped = either solid white or black with no detail] [more here: Use the Photoshop Levels adjustment ] Say you're moving the "light end" / white slider, if nothing is clipped - when you first click it the image will go solid black, now as you slide it inwards the lightest pixels are revealed - and if you released the slider there the image would now be clipped. IF the file IS overexposed, then it's clipped already - when you click the slider, as I described, you'll see image areas in colour or white already, those are the overexposed areas. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 18, 2017
09:52 AM
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Apr 18, 2017
09:52 AM
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Hi gongtaow, Since Microsoft resigned from the International Color Consortium this hasn't got any easier. When you right click the new profile you made and select "install profile" is that when the issue (the warning) occurs? If so, then that seems to be a Windows 10 issue and probably a question for X-rite. [ The easiest way to install a profile in Windows Windows is to right click on the profile in Windows Explorer and select "install profile". Windows copies the profile to the correct directory automatically. The default location for installed profiles is: C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color] You wrote"PS just kept telling me that they are invalid profile so that cannot be loaded" are you seeing a warning dialog in Photoshop?? Can you please post a screenshot of the warning dialog you see? One idea - I wonder if W10 requires the suffix ".icm" rather than ".icc"? Why not try that? Microsoft used to insist on profiles being suffixed with ".icm". I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 11, 2017
08:46 AM
Hi Roberto, can you please translate that dialog box / warning to English? I hope I can help you, but not in Spanish, sorry. thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 10, 2017
04:34 AM
Hi, anyone know how to fix this please? I am a colourmanagement / colour management guy based in the UK, I monitor the color management and color management modules forum pages so I can help users. But, folk from Europe (and Canada) will naturally search for colourmanagement or colour management - and those searches come up empty as if there are no relevant forums. I realise it's a find "actual matching text" search - maybe the workaround is to create [locked] colourmanagement & colour management forum pages with cross links to : the color management and color management modules forums? Does that make sense? thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Apr 05, 2017
09:29 AM
Hi Joelg for some reason I could only go back and respond to your original post, ah well, here goes, I am answering your final comments with this, hope it helps: you ask: "Maybe someone is able to explain to me the difference between standard and high quality has it took pretty much the same time to print.... and if it does make a difference?" these days "resolution" and "single pass or bi-directional" options seem (for simplicity?) to be bundled up into that one setting in printer software. I'd suggest that a setting such as finest detail of high quality is not only enabling finest resolution but also switching off bi-directional print. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 23, 2017
08:47 AM
Hi Bahaar, I don't entirely understand your post, sorry ?? "I did not face any problem while adding text as i zoomed in!" ?? Plainly Photoshop text is added as a vector (no pixels yet) ['til its flattened] so, this is not looking like an image resizing issue. Your FANTA logo looks OK viewed at the small size but not when magnified, that’s what I'd expect. The pixels get pretty big when magnified so you can see them. Seems logical to me. I'm not able to understand what you are expecting, but blowing up a tiny 72ppi logo like that is inevitable going to reveal a lot of pixel detail. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 23, 2017
08:04 AM
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Mar 23, 2017
08:04 AM
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Hi brycar, That’s quite a small banner you're making, is it running full width of the site? 600pix would be more normal, or even more. Could be a mobile site though I guess. Anyhow, smoothness in images and logos is all about the number of pixels, if you only have 65 pixels in height then that's a very small number to define a logo within. Is your file in Photoshop set to 72ppi*, and your image 72ppi or does it need resizing? (* 238 by 65 pix that’s only 3.3" x 0.94" - a very small banner)? I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 23, 2017
07:53 AM
Hi Conrad C, I agree it's not right to exclude BenQ from a list of decent displays because of pricing. But I would place them lower than the Eizo or NEC hardware calibration displays, because the uniformity has been reported as being poor. Uniformity of colour and tone is pretty vital on a photography display, so I feel it's worth prospective buyers at least getting a demo before buying. It seems fair to compare the BenQ with other displays at a similar price. Not with high end graphics arts specialist screens. Hardware calibration can be a significant plus for those dealing with artificial gradients. Unfortunately though I've had experience with a client who reported very poor appearance after calibration, comparing display appearance to a certified proof image (a print). He resorted to trying basICColor display software - great software but which does not support hardware calibration on BenQ screens. Anyway in his opinion the result far exceeded the quality he'd seen previously. If the manufacturer's bundled calibration and profiling software can't make a good showing on the screen, that's another cause for concern IMO. That's just a sample of 1, so do bear that in mind. Again, buyers should get a demo. This may mean that another low cost display - that's been calibrated well - could be a better or equal option. For me, as an Eizo has a good 5 year warranty (conditions apply of course) that means it's the safe bet. The display screen is a users window onto his or her files, as DFosse wrote - and I agree, it’s a rather important part of the chain, perhaps the most important - alongside the eye. I wouldn’t mind a test of a BenQ myself, even though the info above is from trusted sources. For now it's buyer beware I reckon. Anyhow, just my thoughts. neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 23, 2017
02:44 AM
Hi Joelg #1 do your testing on a canon paper listed in the printer software under "media type" #2 check the head, you did that #3 take it easy with photoshop edits if working on 8 bit files. Over editing colour and tome can lead to insufficient data to define smooth gradations properly. maybe test with a test image to get started, that rules out issues you may have created in your own images. Look at my website, there is an Adobe RGB testimage there under downloads which is free to use. downloads | colourmanagement.net Can I ask though - by "banding"n do you mean straight lines across the print - parallel with the print head movement? That's normally a hardware fault. Personally, I recommend using the term "banding" for only that symptom. Those unwanted straight lines across a print can be caused by a partial head blockage (nozzle blockage) or, sometimes head strike - when the head is incorrectly spaced from the paper which, in some cases, means it touches the print leaving "skid marks"). Printers sometimes have a setting to adjust the head gap "platen gap", if not you'd need thinner paper to avoid head strikes. Perhaps you have faults in gradations where there should be smooth tones, but now there are steps (like contour lines on a map). If that's it then the term "contouring" or "posterisation" describes the symptom better. Bahaar Khan has some good tips for you above if it's "contouring" or "posterisation" you are seeing in your gradients. It's OK to call it banding but it can get a bit confusing when too many differing symptoms get the same name! DFosse is right about the colour management settings, you do need to get that right too. IF you're using Canon paper, then generally setting Photoshop to "printer manages colours" IS easier. Just make sure that the actual paper you have in the printer is selected under media in the printer's software settings. If it's not Canon paper you'll need an accurate icc profile for your exact printer and paper - AND information about the correct media option to use with that profile. Paper manufacturers sometimes provide both, sometimes just the icc profile, which is pretty useless as the media option has a big influence on print appearance. I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 23, 2017
01:49 AM
Hi Jeds, I think this is likely a resolution issue. Lets forget about other applications for the moment as it clouds the issue. I am guessing that the new A3 document you are creating has a low resolution by default. You'll need to take control of that setting. Why? - the "old" A3 Photoshop file you are bringing in and the new A3 in Photoshop need to be the exact same resolution in Pixels per inch or Pixels per cm. Try this: First open one of those old A3 Photoshop files you made - into Photoshop. Just open, don't try to drag it into a"new" document (new file). Go to image / size and check resolution there. Look at Pixels per inch or Pixels per cm. make a note. Close the image file. Now make a new file "file/ new" and when doing that make sure the resolution is set the same as your old file - in Pixels per inch or Pixels per cm. Now try dragging that old A3 Photoshop file into the new document you made. let us know how it goes please oh, and when using the photoshop ruler to compare file sizes in this situation - make sure it's set to measure in pixels, because a physical image "size" like A3 is only set by a resolution formula relating to file pixels i.e. "X many pixels = X inches" I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct" below, so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement
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Mar 20, 2017
11:11 AM
Hi adams.j, ah, OK, so photos isn't working, I don't think the old iPhoto would have done any better - please have a look at my reply and try those other options. it would be good to know how you get on
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in Photoshop ecosystem Discussions
Mar 20, 2017
11:07 AM
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Mar 20, 2017
11:07 AM
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D Fosse wrote: "No chain is stronger than its weakest link." & "spend your money where it makes a difference" That’s a great way of putting it. The display screen is no place to be making a decision based on low price. The best you can afford is the way to go, but only if the images that you are editing are important to you. As a color management guy I go out to work with image users on site all the time. I never met anyone who was disappointed they bought Eizo Coloredge. I hope this helps thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement.net
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Mar 20, 2017
10:54 AM
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Mar 20, 2017
10:54 AM
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Hi Try this: Do one of the following: (Windows) Choose Edit > Preferences > File Handling. (Mac OS) Choose Photoshop > Preferences > File Handling. Set the following options: File Extension (Windows) Choose an option for the three-character file extensions that indicate a file’s format: Use Upper Case to append file extensions using uppercase characters, or Use Lower Case to append file extensions using lowercase characters. Append File Extension (Mac OS) File extensions are necessary for files that you want to use on or transfer to a Windows system. Choose an option for appending extensions to filenames: Never to save files without file extensions, Always to append file extensions to filenames, or Ask When Saving to append file extensions on a file-by-file basis. Select Use Lower Case to append file extensions using lowercase characters. I see D Fosse answered for Windows system defaults (i.e. to globally show or hide file exteions) I think he's right, but maybe you're using a mac? In all versions of OS X you can choose whether or not to show file name extensions the in Finder 1. From the Mac OS X Desktop, pull down the “Finder” menu and choose “Preferences” 2. Click on the “Advanced” tab (gear icon) 3. Check the box next to “Show all filename extensions” The setting to reveal filename extensions should be immediate, though some versions of OS X have a slight delay for revealing the extensions on visible files. This can be expedited by simply toggling the setting again to immediately display them I hope this helps if so, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct answer" so others who have similar issues can see the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement.net
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Mar 20, 2017
10:40 AM
Hi adams.j hope I can help So, you have old Photoshop files which you can't open on a Mac. You didn't say what version of OSX you're using, it may make a difference to the advice you need but there goes anyway. I am guessing that you are simply double clicking the files name in the mac finder which is when the error message about Photoshop 3 pops up? For now, I'd avoid adding ".psd" to the end of the filename because 1: you don't KNOW it's a .psd file and 2: the psd filetype is pretty much for for photoshop (and a few other Adobe apps) only. It's a special file format. If you did save as .psd filetype from Photoshop a while back then you may have files which it seems only Photoshop can open now. But there are some ideas below, please read on. First try this: if you highlight the filename in it's folder and click the spacebar on your keyboard do you get a window open showing the image? If so you may see "open in preview" at the top of the frame. If you click that then save the file will open in preview next time you double click it. However, if i try this with a psd file then it offers "open in Photoshop" so that may not help you. Also, OSX has an application called "photos", what I do with files I'd like in my "photos" library is to open the "photos" app. then go to the menu file/import, select the file and it should be added to your library so you can view and edit it there. I am using OSX 10.10 and when I test it on a .psd file I can import then open it. But the layers in the file (if any) will have been flattened, maybe that’s OK for you? If the OSX "Photos" app is telling you that the files are incompatible and my spacebar tip above did not help, then maybe you need Photo editing app like GIMP (it's open source freeware) that can open psd files. [ download it here: https://www.gimp.org/downloads/ ]. Gimp can open a psd but it can't work with the all layers, so they'll need to be rasterised. Why not try it? It's not an exactly straight forward software to use so ionce tyo get the files open maybe save as tif and then they will be more widely compatible. The "photopea" online editor might work too. [ https://www.photopea.com/ it works on a .psd file for me and shows the layers properly too. There are other options, if none of the above helps try googling "open a psd file without photoshop" If your files are tif or Jpeg all, the above options should work fine too. I hope this helps please come back and let us know how it goes. if sot helped, please do mark my reply as "helpful" and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct answer" so that others who have similar issues can find the solution thanks neil barstow, colourmanagement.net
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