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Jan 26, 2025
05:48 AM
@Enlightened_play5CFB can we take it, then, that the RGB and HEX values you have ARE associated with ICC profiles (i.e. the files containing them have profiles embedded?? If that is not the case, then they aren't an acceptable starting point.
If you don't have profiles embedded, then you'd need to discover what the associated colourspace needs to be, to give the desired appearance.
Work on a good calibrated screen and open the files with those colours and edit / assign profile in Photoshop viewing the result to assess nearest to what the designers had in m,ind.
Then the next step is to convert to the CORRECT process CMYK colourspace/s. Best not to guess here.
You may of course, as you anticipated, discover that some colours that have been chosen are out of the gamut (range) of CMYK printing. That will require some pre-conversion optimisation of impossible colours whilst referring to Photoshop's "gamut warning".
Will the job/s be printed with additional spot colours on the press? Some creators don't realise that’s how PMS works properly, wih especially mixed inks. Otherwise, any PMS colour specified in a doc. will have to somehow get made into CMYK of the right flavour.
Literally no point in specifying "special" / PMS colours if they will then be made up out of CMYK inks.
I hope this helps
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Jan 26, 2025
05:31 AM
@Cool353733484wgy that’s a good tip from @Peru Bob - but if it doesn’t solve your issue:
Perhaps try a thorough reset of Photoshop preferences?
(read this entire post before acting please)
Resetting restores Photoshop's internal preferences, which are saved when Photoshop closes.
If they become corrupt then various issues can occur.
Here’s some info on how to do that:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html
Manually removing preferences files is the most complete method for restoring Photoshop to its default state:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#Manually
Manually removing preferences files is the most complete method for restoring Photoshop to its default state. This method ensures all preferences and any user presets which may be causing a problem are not loaded.
Quit Photoshop.
Navigate to Photoshop's Preferences folder. macOS: Users/[user name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings Windows: Users/[user name]/AppData/Roaming/Adobe/Adobe Photoshop [version]/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings Note: The user Library folder is hidden by default on macOS. To access files in the hidden user Library folder, see How to access hidden user library files.
Drag the entire Adobe Photoshop [Version] Settings folder to the desktop or somewhere safe for a back-up of your settings
Open Photoshop. New preferences files will be created in their original location.
Note re macOS: The user Library folder is hidden by default.
To access files in the hidden user Library folder, see here for how to access hidden user library files.
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/access-hidden-user-library-files.html
Unexpected behaviour may indicate damaged preferences. Restoring preferences to their default settings is a good idea when trying to troubleshoot unexpected behaviours in Photoshop. check out the video
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#reset_preferences
Learn how to access and modify Photoshop preferences and customise per your frequent workflows
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html
And here’s an earlier forum discussion as an aid to understanding
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/quick-tips-how-to-reset-photoshop-preferences/td-p/12502668
You may want to backup your settings and custom presets, brushes & actions before restoring Photoshop's preferences.
Here is general info about that: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#BackupPhotoshoppreferences
Before you reset your preferences
in case of future issues, I suggest you make a copy as Adobe may need one to check problematic references.
Quit Photoshop. Go to Photoshop's Preferences folder
Preferences file locations: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/preference-file-names-locations-photoshop.html\
[on MacOS see: Users/[user name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings Note for those on macOS: - be aware that the user Library folder is hidden by default on macOS.
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/access-hidden-user-library-files.html
In the Finder, open the “Go” menu whilst holding down the Option (Alt) key.
Library will now appear in the list - below the current user's “home” directory. ]
Now you can drag the entire Adobe Photoshop [Version] Settings folder to the desktop or somewhere safe as a back-up of your settings.
Note for those on macOS:
Preference preservation is affected by macOS permissions,
you’ll need to allow Photoshop ‘Full Disk Access’ in your Mac OS Preferences/Security and Privacy
If that doesn't fix the issue:
Go to Preferences > Performance... and uncheck Multithreaded Compositing - and restart Photoshop.
Still hanging?
Go to Preferences > Performance... click Advanced Settings... and uncheck "GPU Compositing" - then restart Photoshop.
Do you still have problems?
It may even be time to reinstall Photoshop.
It’s recommended that you use the Adobe CC cleaner tool to remove all traces first.
(See above about preserving preferences though! It’s worth preserving them unless they are corrupted.)
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/cc-cleaner-tool-installation-problems.html
Uninstall Photoshop BUT make sure to choose the option “Yes, remove app preference”.
Once that process finishes, start the installation process and look into the “Advanced Options”. Uncheck “Import previous settings and preferences” and choose to “Remove old versions”.
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Jan 20, 2025
04:23 AM
@creative explorer colourmanagement - specifically 'device independent ICC profiles' were invented to solve the issue of differing device capabilities. In any serious workflow the relevant devices, in this case the monitor display screen would ideally be calibrated and profiled using suitable software and a screen sensor. Here's some help for those who would like to understand the purpose and use of ICC profiles better.
Matching different displays within an organisation can be rather vital to those who judge appearance on-screen.
The Photoshop histogram IS indeed a useful tool for judging image characteristics. Especially the histogram in the Levels pallet - used in conjunction with Photoshop's 'Threshold display' a rarely discussed feature.
Open an image, open the Levels Adjustment pallet and drag either INPUT level slider inwards whilst holding down the alt/option key.
This places a very informative overlay upon the image - this allows the user to identify the brightest or lightest pixels, also to detect images possibly damaged by clipping.
BUT IMO that’s no substitute for good device colour management.
I hope this helps
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Jan 20, 2025
04:04 AM
@Matthijs-Clasener "If an image is exported in Adobe RGB but viewed in an application or on a device that assumes sRGB without proper color management, the colors may look incorrect—like the green tint you're describing."
Personally I've never seen an AdobeRGB (1998) colorspace image get a green tint when sRGB is assumed. I've certainly seen large changes to colour saturation (AdobeRGB images lose saturation when sRGB is assumed).
Do you have an example AdobeRGB (1998) colorspace image that goes green when sRGB is assigned (in Photoshop) please?
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Jan 17, 2025
08:52 AM
@Rick2001 "I have 3 monitors. Which profile does Photoshop use"
Photoshop should read the ICC profile for each display and adapt the data it sends to each using the respective Monitor profile.
The color settings dialog in Photoshop will show you the display profile for the screen it opened on - if you click on the dropdown form Working Spaces / RGB see below:
NOTE - DO NOT select the display profile here you don't want that set as your working RGB. Make sure you highlight the desired RGBB Working Space, here I selected Adobe RGB (1998).
I wish that dragging Photshop's color settings dialog box to other connected screens updated this "Monitor RGB" listing to show each displays relevant profile, but it doesn't.
I hope this helps
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Jan 17, 2025
08:42 AM
@Thony27418167b998 Depending on the version of your Windows Photo Viewer, it may not be colour-managed.
Try viewing the saved file back in Photoshop.
All ok? Matches the original?
If so that would suggest a colour management issue.
Try this convert a copy of your image to sRGB now save that
Try viewing that file in the Win Photo Viewer.
please report back
I hope this helps
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Jan 17, 2025
08:35 AM
@MHaynes try this: Simple reset in Photoshopo printing : hold the space bar when you open the print window. It resets the print dialogs
does that hekp?
if not please see my much longer reply here
I hope this helps
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Jan 17, 2025
08:29 AM
@Thony27418167b998 "i have already been in the color manager"
What do you mean by the "color manager" (in Windows I guess?)
How about in Photoshop's 'color settings'?
Please add a screenshot of those settings to this chat.
AND be aware that those 'color settings' are defaults so essentially only apply to newly created files.
I hope this helps
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Jan 17, 2025
08:26 AM
@Thony27418167b998 so - you edit in Photoshop? correct?
you save the file (using 'save as'?) with an embedded ICC profile which seems to be AdobeRGB - correct?
Now you view the file you saved and it looks different to the same file still in Photoshop.
How are you viewing the saved file?
NOT in Photoshop I presume?
Please answer this question and we'll try help further.
I hope this helps
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Jan 15, 2025
09:02 AM
@Yashuu_Sayania0503 Perhaps you can find an image of a man in a suitable outfit, standing with a labrador and impose your grandfather's head onto it - if the image you have has enough resolution that should succeed.
I hope this helps
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Jan 15, 2025
08:58 AM
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Jan 15, 2025
08:58 AM
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@Enlightened_play5CFB "We defined a wide-ranging RGB/HEX color palette for a brand"
it's not what you asked, BUT this may be important?
does that mean that your Hex and RGB values have been related to a specific colourspace? (via an ICC profile? )
I'll explain:
Perhaps you are already aware that, like RGB pixel values, Hex values alone are not an unequivocal* way of defining colour.
That is, until the Hex code (or RGB numbers) is/are associated with an ICC document profile e.g. sRGB IEC61966-2.1, Adobe RGB (1998). The ICC profile makes the numbers unequivocal.
Hex codes are simply RGB numbers expressed in ‘Hexadecimal’. So, rather than RGB 0 to 255 you have 00 to FF.
*(incidentally, L*a*b* values do provide an unequivocal colour definition)
Hex and RGB numbers are somewhat meaningless in visual terms unless associated with a particular ICC profile/colour space. This means that numbers in RGB or in Hex represent different colours in differing colourspaces - such as sRGB IEC61966-2.1 & Adobe RGB (1998).
IF you do have to provide CMYK values please be aware that the above issues still pertain, without an associated ICC profile to define press condition, CMYK number are just numbers, not specific colours.
I hope this helps
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So, if you are passing Hex codes to colleagues, as with RGB data you need to specify the working colour space too, e.g. sRGB IEC61966-2.1, Adobe RGB (1998).
To reiterate - a specific Hex code used in sRGB IEC61966-2.1, will be a different colour to the same code used in Adobe RGB (1998).
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Jan 15, 2025
08:48 AM
@jeffb56004601 I don't use an iPad either, but I searched and -
AI on the Brave browser told me this
"Photoshop on iPad does not support ICC profiles directly. To manage color profiles with Photoshop on iPad, you would typically need to ensure that your ICC profiles are installed on your computer and then sync your work between the desktop and iPad versions of Photoshop. This allows for consistent color management across devices. For detailed instructions on installing ICC profiles on your computer, you can refer to guides available online or Adobe’s official documentation."
IF that's right, it looks like what you want may not be possible.
Where did those 'prophoto' colourspace images originate? That’s the place to fix the issue I guess
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Jan 15, 2025
08:40 AM
@A+Graphics macOS? New print driver?
I hope this helps
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Jan 15, 2025
08:37 AM
@Branch_Images "If I specify SuperB/A3 Borderless paper, the print comes out oversized in both dimensions, approximately 1/4" over on the long edge."
I have seen that when you set an Epson print driver to "borderless" or "edge to edge" it appears to slightly increase the image size, so as to "bleed" the image off the edge of the paper.
Personally, I'd like to turn this expansion off and have my image at the exact size I made it but it doesn't seem possible to do that.
It seems the only way to get exact size and borderless/edge to edge/bleed is to print on oversize media and trik after printing
If I specify SuperB/A3 without the Borderless option, the print comes out undersized, again by approximaetely 1/4"
do you mean it doesn't fill the media or that it is actually scaled? If borderless is NIOT selected then the printer will impose borders. If an image is sent too large it is generally cropped not automatically scaled.
I hope this helps
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Jan 14, 2025
09:42 AM
@Conrad_C that’s a generous and comprehensive description, I hope the OP can solve their issue now
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Jan 14, 2025
07:54 AM
@frmorel I see you have marked your own response as "correct answer"
- please could you undo that and mark the actual answer that was correct as 'correct', this way others with a similar issue can see the solution easily.
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Jan 13, 2025
10:17 AM
@Eldon Howard I see you have also posted this question separately in a new thread here, anyone answering Eldon, please contribute to that thread.
I hope this helps
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Jan 13, 2025
10:14 AM
@Eldon Howard One more thing to add to @D Fosse question, if you are using "Photoshop manages Color" do you, by any chance, have 'rendering intent' set to 'Absolute Colorimetric'?
If so try 'Relative'
And please let us know what media (paper) and ICC profile you are using.
How are you calibrating/profiling your screen?
Is the 'white area of your image 2555,255,255 when sampled in Photoshop?
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Jan 13, 2025
10:07 AM
@ingridg77791139 many printers have an unprintable end section as the media rollers have to hold onto the media.
You may also have to select edge to edge or similar, but do be aware that most print drivers will then, very slightly, enlarge your document size.
So if it's SS to the media you may see a little cropped off. Beats me why printer makers did that.
I hope this helps
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Jan 13, 2025
10:03 AM
@Evergreen7 like @Trevor.Dennis I would use an OCR [Optical Character Recognition) app to convert the printed article to text rather than an image. That’s way it's sure to be easily legible as you can set font/ size etc.
If it helps and you have an iPhone, that can do it from an image.
I hope this helps
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Jan 13, 2025
09:59 AM
@frmorel you'll need to check "profile mismatches" and: missing profiles" in the "ask when opening" section of Photoshop's color settings
see below:
I hope this helps
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Jan 13, 2025
09:43 AM
@amandaw85250143 are you printing happily now? I hope all is well.
I hope this helps
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Jan 09, 2025
09:09 AM
@Terrance5DD1 I'm wondering why you'd like to know, are you in education? A teacher perhaps?
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Jan 09, 2025
09:07 AM
@FauxtoGuy have a look at this thread where a Canon user has wheat may be your issue
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/print-settings-missing-media-paper-types-resulting-in-poor-prints/m-p/15072050#M846511
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Jan 09, 2025
09:05 AM
@alyce003 Thanks for coming back to us, it's good to know what works. I'm pleased it's fixed for you, it took me hours to work that one out on a client site when it first happened.
glad I could help
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Jan 09, 2025
09:03 AM
@Rick2001 have a look at the Calibrite range which are popular. Display Pro HL or Plus HL are worth considering as they are "powered by X-Rite". Basically rebadged devices that used to be marketed as X-Rite.
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Jan 09, 2025
08:56 AM
@IMacKenzie appreciate your thanks and, also, it's good of you to post the actual solution, that really helps other users with similar issues.
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Jan 09, 2025
08:54 AM
@FauxtoGuy I guess we can presume that the Red River profile was made for - or at least tested in Photoshop, Do you see the correct Canon media names in the printer driver (in spring settings) when printing from Photoshop, i.e. media with the correct name was options, not jiusy6 matter gloss etc?Theres an issue with MacOS and users inadvertently using the MacOS built in Gimp / Guternprint driver which messes up the process if profiles were made using the OEM driver SW.
Heres a note of my experience with Epson and M<acOS, it applies to Canon too, Idone have the relevant Canon, so didn’t do the screenshots.
Epson / Mac: Add printer, AirPrint issue, here are some notes about Apple’s built in Gimp Print / Gutenprint based printer driver.
Best avoided. It can print quite differently from the manufacturer's own driver software.
Does the print driver look different? some options have changed?
Are media names the same as previous drivers you've used, e.g.. is 'Premium Luster Photo Paper' mentioned or are the media types just simplified names like matte or gloss?
You'll be aware, I'm sure, that the selected media name in the driver must match the selection made when printing ICC profiling patches, (so the ICC profile and media type selection are linked) . BUT is the media name selected previously actually there in the list?
IF the media names listed differ (and have been simplified) then you are perhaps inadvertently using Apple’s default Gimp/ Gutenprint driver rather than Epson’s own. It's not just a matter of installing Epson driver software, you have to select it too. I do know it's very important to use Epson's own driver software. I tripped over this myself on a client site, the driver looked different and I put it down to an OSX update imposed style - took a while to work that one out.
Here's an example of what I'd expect to see in an Epson driver for media name options:
Can you access print settings in an application other than Photoshop, try Preview?
If not, a thorough purge may be in order, perhaps install drivers (downloaded from Epson) again:
1. Delete all instances of Epson printers from
System Settings (or System Preferences depending on Mac OS version) / Printers & Scanners -or- System Preferences>Print & Fax, whichever you have.
2. Then go to /Library/Printers and trash the whole Epson folder.
3. Delete the Epson LFP Remote Panel (IF you are using that utility).
4. Then go to Epson online and download the printer drivers yourself.
Do not let the Mac install the printer driver for you.
There’s one more tripwire - in System Settings (or System Preferences depending on Mac OS version) / Printers - - - , when adding the connected printer
[i.e. click the padlock, enter your password and click the “+” button]
- watch out for the “Use" selection - I recommend you do not select "Airprint" there under "use", but, rather, manually set "use” to the printer name, which will then call on the manufacturer’s own software rather than the default Apple driver (that’s based on Gimp Print / Gutenprint, which misses out some printing options such as specific manufacturers media names).
I hope this helps
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Jan 08, 2025
04:45 AM
@shawno39615260 make sure you are actually using the up to date printer manufacturer's driver software. If you're using a mac, Apple have a default driver that misses many features like actual paper names.
I can help further if that seems to be it?
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Jan 08, 2025
04:40 AM
@D Fosse HI, I'm pleased you posted that as it's something I'd like to do occasionally too
"View > Float All in Windows. That's the "classic" image window mode from earlier PS versions. To make this the permanent mode, uncheck "open as tabs" in Preferences"
Great to kill the tabbed opening. I'd actually never thought of that being an option, DOH
Sadly, though, on mac View > Float All in Windows seems not to be offered.
I found window/ arrange / float all in windows but the images are on top of each other not shown all at once.
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