This Application Manager thing was indeed very poorly done. I too was very confused to see applications listed that I had not purchased as well as confusing "Install" items that I had already installed. This is just one more example where Adobe is: - Forcing everyone onto the subscription model whether they want to go or not - Using the "Creative Cloud" with it's "continuous improvements" as an excuse to be even lazier about quality-checking software before it is released. When Adobe gets around to fixing the "Install aleady installed apps" bug, I strongly recommend the following addiitonal changes in AAM: - The links to non-purchased software should be labeled "Trial", not "Install". - AAM should have a preferences setting where we can "uncheck" "Show trial software". It really is pretty sad that Adobe is putting so much energy into this "subscription that we hope you forget to shut off" model as a way to protect their revenue streams rather than concentrating on making innovative software.
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Also, if a color management guru doesn't chime in here, you might want to post your question over in the Luminous Landscape color management forum. Several heavy-hitters participate there including Andrew Rodney and Jeff Schewe. Someone should be able to help. Here is the link: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?board=45.0
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OK, well it sounds then like your issue is not with PS at all but with Windows 7. Photoshop depends on the operating system for its monitor profile (or lack of one). I assume by what you explained that if you go to the Win7 Color Management Control Panel, the devices tab for you monitor shows NO profile in the box titled "Profiles associated with this device"? If that is the case, then the next step is to figure out what Win7 is doing when you haven't specified a device profile. I suspect it is defaulting to sRGB as somewhat indicated by the Advanced tab of the Color Management Control Panel. You might try unchecking "Use Windows display calibration" on the Advanced tab and see if that gives you what you want. You could also try changing the Device profile in the "Windows Color System Defaults" section of the Advanced tab but I don't see a way to choose no profile at all. Microsoft often doesn't document very well the color management features in its products and it also sometimes does non-industry standard things regarding color management. Nevertheless, a Google search on "Windows 7 color management" may turn up something for you. I do think that that is where you need to concentrate though. It doesn't sound like a PS issue to me.
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Sorry that I gave you Color Management 101. It's always difficult to know how advanced someone is when they post a CM question here. In your case, you are probably more advanced than I. Nevertheless, I do have some questions/clarifications: - I understand you are doing hardware calibration on your high-end monitor but I don't see how the operating system (which is it by the way?) has "no display profile active". Surely, the OS is using something, even if it is sRGB or the manufacturers baseline profile? - As I sort of alluded to in my first post, I see two parts of the color management issue that you may be trying to control here: a. PS's colorspace conversion (incoming colorspace to PS working space to output space). b. The impact that the monitor profile may have on your viewing. Are you trying to control/turn off "a", "b", or something else? Again, I think a little more explanation of what you are trying to do and why would be helpful, particularly since this seems to be an advanced topic.
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Well, it would probably help if you could explain a little more in detail what you are doing and why you want to turn CM off. It would also help if you would verify what version of PS you are using. One of the challenges you are going to face is that it really isn't possible to turn off color management completely in recent versions of Photoshop. There are always SOME assumptions being made. Here are some comments from Andrew Rodney on the issue: http://www.gballard.net/psd/psdcm4678cs.html Now if what you are trying to do is produce images that will look OK for the largest audience (that means including people who are using non-color-managed applications and browsers), here is what I would recommend: - Use sRGB as your RGB working space in Photoshop. - Put "Convert to Working RGB" in the RGB Color Management Policy. - When you save the image, you can save with or without an embedded profile. It's your choice. Most common applications and browsers will assume sRGB or something reasonably close if there is no embedded profile. I normally save WITH embedded profiles since it makes the colospace clear to everyone, including myself, and it also helps Safari users a little. Now the other component is your monitor profile, the thing that adjusts the viewing on YOUR monitor so that it produces results close to a standard. I don't know if in your case you are using a custom monitor profile (produced from a calibrator/profiler like Huey, Spyder, Eye One, etc.) or perhaps a display profile from the manufacturer (Dell2408WFP, for example) or maybe a standard colorspace profile like sRGB. It might be helpful if you would tell us which and also mention what operating system (Windows 7, Apple Snow Leopard, etc.). Anyway, Photoshop will be using that monitor profile automatically (its use is different from the RGB working space in Color Settings). If it is standard colorspace like sRGB or a manufacturer's display profile, it is likely that Photoshop will match the image in a non-color-managed application or come relatively close. If you are using a custom monitor profile, then you may see significant differences. If you don't like those differences you can: - Stop using your custom monitor profile and try a manufacturer's o sRGB profile for your monitor profile (changed in your operating system, not PS). - Use View>Proof Setup>Monitor RGB (or Internet Standard, I always forget which) to view a temporary version that is without the monitor profile. - Start using color-managed applications like Firefox or Safari. Note that using a custom monitor profile is NOT a bad thing. What it allows you to do is make corrections for deviations from the standard that your monitor may need. When creating an image in the common sRGB colorspace, for example, using a custom monitor profile whill help you produce an image as correctly as possible to that sRGB standard. Also if it wasn't clear already, there is no such thing as "no colorspace". The closest thing to a "no colorspace"/"no profile"/"no complications" standard today is sRGB. There is a point beyond which you can't worry about how everyone else is going to see your images. You have no control over how they adjust their monitors, what applications they use, and whether or not they know the first thing about color management. All you can do is produce your images as close as possible to an industry standard (my recommendation is sRGB for normal web use) and meet them half way. Hope that helps.
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I am getting 404 errors periodically in the overview screen of the forums when I click on the last post of a message (the part of the message header list that says "x hours ago"). Anybody else? I am using Firefox v3.0.8 if that is important.
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My work computer with IE6 still stays logged in without a problem. I suspect it is because I didn't use it during the Black Friday weekend.
My home computer with Firefox was NOT remembering my login between sessions (and by that I mean between closing and opening Firefox). I suspect it is because I WAS using that PC during Black Friday weekend.
I tried deleting cookies on the Firefox machine but no change. They always re-appeared as session-only cookies. I think I have it fixed now but to do it I had to install a cookie editor plugin for Firefox and manually set the expire on the adobeforums cookies to a year from now. So far, so good.
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I assume you are referring to the special zoom modes of "Actual Pixels" and "Print Size".
Actual pixels displays the image on your monitor so that 1 image pixel uses exactly 1 monitor pixel. This zoom state allows you to see the maximum amount of detail available in your image, including detail that you will not likely see if you print at common sizes.
Print size (I don't remember ever seeing "Actual Print Size" anywhere in Photoshop) is Photoshop's attempt to show you the image at roughly the same dimensions on screen (in inches or centimeters, not pixels) that it will print at.
In order for Print Size to work reasonably well, you need to make sure that the units in the Preferences are set correctly. To check this, do the following:
Edit>Preferences>Units and Rulers...
Look at the number for Screen Resolution. This needs to be set at the pixels per inch for your monitor. In the past, this was commonly thought of as 72 but these days monitors often have PPIs in the 90s or greater. You can calculate this for your monitor by measuring the width of the screen and then divide the pixel width of your monitor by this number. In my case for example, my monitor displays 1920 pixels horizontally and is 20.5 inches wide. That makes my Screen Resolution approx. 94 pixels per inch (1920/20.5).
Once you have the preference set correctly, then when you select "Print Size" the image will appear on-screen at about the same dimensions as it will print, assuming the current document dimensions and resolutions (as shown in Image>Image Size, for example) are maintained through to printing.
For example, if Image>Image Size tells you that you currently have an image that is 8x10 inches, then if you select the zoom mode of "Print Size", the image should be approx. 8x10 inches on your screen.
Prior to CS4, many people felt that the Print Size zoom state was not very useful since it often produced an odd zoom size that caused "jaggies". Now, with the OpenGL graphics features turned on in CS4, this zoom state is a little more useful since jaggies are greatly reduced regardless of zoom percentage.
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OK, I am confused. I have read through several of these threads and I don't understand the status of the "cookie issue". Here is what is happening to me (still today, 22-Feb-2009):
On my PC at home with WinXP and Firefox 3.0.6, I must still log on every time I start browsing anew (in other words, I have either shut down Firefox completely beforehand or I have shut the PC off and turned it back on). I have tried flushing existing cookies and still the same behavior. I have made sure that cookies are stored for adobeforums.com in FF preferences.
On my PC at work with WinXP and IE6, the forums continue to remember me as they always have and no re-logon is required.
Can someone explain this?
Should remembering my userid be active again as of now (22-feb-2009)?
If it should be and isn't, does anyone have any suggestions about how to fix it with Firefox?
If remembering userid has still not been enabled since last weekend, will it be re-enabled before activation of the new forums?
Why does my PC at work (IE6) still remember and my PC at Home (FF) not?
Would it be possible for Adobe to create a FAQ answering these cookie/logon-related issues?
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Hey guys. How about giving it a rest? This Feature Request thread gets unwieldy enough as is without these "Adobe is screwing us" vs "Adobe is great" debates. Gretch expressed his request. Let's leave it at that.
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PS, Bridge, and ACR should all be automatically using the active monitor profile that has been set in your operating system (Mac or Win?). I know of no way to change that in any of the programs directly. You can re-profile your monitor, which will establish a new active profile, or you can use your operating system to manually select a specific monitor profile. Any of these changes of the monitor profile at the OS level, however, should impact all of the Adobe programs the same.
Now working colorspace is a different thing. You can have ACR set to one (ProPhoto, for example) and PS set to another (sRGB, for example). Under this situation you could have problems if you have your color management policies in PS set to "off".
Could you tell us what RGB working space you are using in PS in Color Settings? What color policy are you using for RGB in Color Settings in PS?
Sorry if you have already went through this. It does seem likely that there is an issue in certain situations (multiple monitors, upgrades over previous versions, etc.) that maybe Adobe needs to address since several people seem to be reporting it but there are also common configuration mistakes that can cause problems. It is important to rule them out.
Since you came into the thread a little late, it might also be helpful to explain from square one exactly what you are comparing. You are apparently seeing differences from Bridge to PS. What types of files? Does a raw file developed in ACR also change color when it gets to PS?
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These may have been mentioned before but here are my recommendations:
- A "Master" or "Opacity" slider for the gradient and localized brush controls. I think many folks used to using layers in PS are used to creating a mixture of effects that are a little over the top and then using opacity to back the overall effect back to a reasonable level. It would be nice to have this in ACR for the brush and gradient controls so you don't have to go back to tweak each individual control.
- There needs to be a better way to reset the localized brush and gradient controls. I know you can select the plus or minus icons on one of the controls to sort of come close to a reset but that only works if you remember to do it before you begin to use the brush or gradient. Afterwords, only a double-click on each control will reset. (If there is a trick that I am missing, please let me know).
- This recommendation may be a bit controversial since I know that different people like to set their brushes different ways but I am going to express my preference and request for change anyway: I don't like the fact that the localized brush affects the image outside of the outer circle. I think it would be a lot more useful to have the outer circle indicate the limit of the brushes effect and the inner circle either be the point at which the effect is 100% or the mid-point between 0 and 100% effect. The most bothersome to me though is the outer circle behavior. I have to guess how far it will reach when feather is applied or use a trial and error method, which is a pain.
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Everything still sounds like a colorspace mis-match but both Ray and Jack indicate that they have checked Color Settings and they are correct. If either of you wanted to remove all doubt, it might be helpful to post a screen-shot of the CS3 and CS4 Color Settings window.
Beyond that, it sounds like one of two possible problems/solutions:
- Some kind of corruption that occured during instalation of CS4. If that was the case, a de-install and re-install might be called for.
- Some rarer kind of problem due to your particular mix or hardware, installs, and so on. Could even be a very specific bug in PS. Probably necessary to pursue with Adobe Support in that case.
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It is most likely NOT a monitor profile problem since any monitor profile should be in effect for CS3, CS4, and ACR.
What IS likely the problem is a mis-match in working color space. You probably have a different working colorspace set in CS4 as compared to CS3 or you have the other color settings set in such as way so that CS3 automatically adapts and CS4 doesn't.
Here is what you need to check:
You need to check Edit>Color Settings... in both CS3 and CS4. If you want them to behave the same, they should be set the same. Your working colorspace is a matter of preference. The most common are sRGB, AdobeRGB, and ProPhoto. If you have no idea what I am talking about and most of your images are either displayed online, sent via email to friends and family, or printed at the local drugstore then sRGB is probably a good choice. As you have time to learn about colorspace, you can try others.
I usually use "Preserve Embedded Profiles" for the Profiles section of the color settings and I put the checkmarks in all the "Ask When" options of the Color Settings. That way, PS always reminds me if there is a mis-match coming into PS.
Now you need to check which colorspace ACR is using when it does its raw development. If you look under the image in the ACR editing window, you will see a line of blue, underlined text. Click on that and you can set what colorspace will be used by ACR to develop images. Normally, you will want to make this colorspace match your working colorspace in PS but if you set up the color settings in PS as I mentioned above, you don't have to necessarily. Using the settings above, if you happen to generate an image from ACR in the ProPhoto colorspace and your PS working space is set to sRGB, PS will prompt you to make a decision. You can then decide if you want to use the colorspace embedded in the incoming image (ProPhoto)or the default working space you had previously chosen for PS (sRGB).
If colorspace issues are new to you, they can be kind of confusing at first. You may just want to set both PS and ACR to sRGB and use that for now.
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