e-mail posting test -- (post whatever you want here)

[Christian_Davideck]

Ok, this is just to test e-mail postings.

You can post whatever you want here for testing purposes ...

[Christian_Davideck]

test

[JayJhabrix]

What No Points!!!!!!!

[Christian_Davideck]

LOL

"What No Points!!!!!!!"

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testing quotations:

<blockquote> "What No Points!!!!!!!" </quote>

What No Points!!!!!!!

[kanguyen]

Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

[Christian_Davideck]

When you write something within brackets like this:

[some-text-here-will-create-a-link]

it will create this link:

some-text-here-will-create-a-link

Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

[Jochem van Dieten]

kanguyen wrote on 2009-05-26 14:37:

Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

He is using characters in his messages that these forums interpret as

formatting instructions. For instance shared brackets are Wiki notation

for a link, so Jive will interpret anything between them as a link.

Obviously that is a very bad choice of Jive to use for email formatting

codes because in email the square brackets are used to summarize

previous messages. (If Jive had really thought about it they would have

realized that people who want formatting already use formatting by

sending HTML mail, so there never is a reason to parse any plain text

email message.)

There are a dozens of messages in the Testing forum from mainly Mark and

me trying to figure out how Jive works, but in the end Jive logged bug

CS-13412 for it: http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/message/212821#212821

Jochem

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Jochem van Dieten

http://jochem.vandieten.net/

[Christian_Davideck]

<blockquote>He is using characters in his messages that these forums interpret as formatting instructions. For instance shared brackets are Wiki notation for a link, so Jive will interpret anything between them as a link.</blockquote>

Yes, and with the "plus sign" you toggle between italics and non-italics. Which basically means, that you cannot use the "plus sign" in e-mail replies ...

So forget mathematics, etc.

[Christian_Davideck]

<blockquote> (If Jive had really thought about it they would have realized that people who want formatting already use formatting by sending HTML mail, so there never is a reason to parse any plain text email message.) </blockquote>

+ I even think it currently doesn't matter whether we reply in html or

plain text. + I think I was using html mail and apparently it was

parsed, too.

[Christian_Davideck]

(7500+4500,16 + bit,10MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL AD after moving).

[Christian_Davideck]

Christian Davideck wrote:

test

(7500+4500,16 + bit,10MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL AD after moving).

that's what you get when sending this via e-mail:

[test]
(7500+4500,16 + bit,10+MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL A+D after moving).

[Mark_A__Boyd]

As Christian said, it tries to parse everything between square brackets - presumably looking for certain keywords that it will use to present the message in the Web forum. A few that I'm aware of:

These require a matching closing tag,

b for bold

i for italic

code for code

There are more, but what seems to happen when Jive does not recognize a keyword is that it creates a link.

And here's an example of a Web forum link that does not arrive in the email notifications as a link. Posting code in this forum. It gets converted to a relative path surrounded by old-school ANSI bold notation: *bold text*

I haven't tested much, but I wonder if that only applies to forum links? Here is a fake link. Here is a bold fake link.

Did you get three URLs in your email?

[Edit - this entire message was done in the Web interface]

Strange! I originally had my b, i, and code above enclosed in square brackets for full representation, but I could not post the message online. It popped up a "Are you sure you want to navigate away..." message. When I finally said OK, it came back with "You cannot post an empty message" or something similar - and my message was completely empty.

Here is how it looked, but this time inside a code block.

Nope. I can't do it in here, either

Apparently, having that inside the regular text prevented my post.

Message was edited by: Mark A. Boyd

[Christian_Davideck]

so square brackets aren't the only sign causing problems...

[Mark_A__Boyd]

Definitely not. There is a way to post code inside code blocks, but it is still broken. See some of the threads in the test forum for more. This one in particular http://forums.adobe.com/thread/432491

[Christian_Davideck]

<blockquote> Definitely not. There is a way to post code inside code blocks, </blockquote>

why not just get completely rid of parsing the e-mail text ... (i.e.

treat it as plain text if it's plain text and treat it as html, if it's

html?? ... that's what any e-mail client does when displaying incoming

e-mail messages ...)

[Mark_A__Boyd]

Because that would open the door for the unscrupulous. Cross-site-scripting and all sorts of trouble. Never trust input from the end-user to your site. It is smart to sanitize the code, but it would be better if they would sanitize it smartly.

[Christian_Davideck]

<blockquote>Because that would open the door for the unscrupulous. Cross-site-scripting and all sorts of trouble. Never trust input from the end-user to your site. It is smart to sanitize the code, but it would be better if they would sanitize it smartly.</blockquote>

I never said, they should allow scripting!

Simple html would be enough.

And I don't see ANY reason, why PLAIN TEXT mails should be sanitized ?? Just display them as-is !

[Mark_A__Boyd]

And I don't see ANY reason, why PLAIN TEXT mails should be sanitized ?? Just display them as-is !

Oh, but it should. Never trust input from a user. To display plain text as is would require jumping outside of HTML for web display. Not sure if this still works, but click the following link online for a preview. Note that I stripped all headers and the Jive footer from this example.

[Christian_Davideck]

<blockquote> Oh, but it should. Never trust input from a user. To display plain text as is would require jumping outside of HTML for web display. Not sure if this still works, but click the following link online for a preview. Note that I stripped all headers and the Jive footer from this example. http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/3985/message.txt </blockquote> Sorry, I can't follow you here ... <b>Why wouldn't be a plain-text email treated the same way as the keystrokes in the webinterface ??</b

[Mark_A__Boyd]

There's that "why" again

[Christian_Davideck]

yes, it's JIVE ... but even JIVE is configurable

[JayJhabrix]

Christian Davideck wrote:

why not just get completely rid of parsing the e-mail text ... (i.e.

treat it as plain text if it's plain text and treat it as html, if it's

html?? ... that's what any e-mail client does when displaying incoming

e-mail messages ...)

Because these brand new forums are broke... already

[Christian_Davideck]

Okay. Adobe's trying to fix it, and we give input/ideas.

I was just wondering why they couldn't do it like this:

plaintext e-mail response ==> displayed as is

html e-mail respons ==> displayed in (simple) html, stripping scripts, etc.

[Mark_A__Boyd]

Stripping html, scripts and more would defeat the purpose of sending such code . There are several Adobe products that use ECMA-based scripts (similar to JavaScript), plus the Web dev applications for developing Web sites.

And you still have to parse plain text to get it to be legible on a Web page. Either that or encapsulate the entire post in a <pre> element that I am sure would be unacceptable to many of the folks complaining about design in here.

Their code is almost there, it just needs some tweaking to get it right.