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Captiv8r wrote:
Sure, a moderator could initiate a thread in the correct forum (assuming the correct forum may be ascertained based on the context of the question) but then the question would appear as if it were coming from the moderator and not the OP.
Cheers... Rick
RIck,
Firstly, a thread should NOT be moved UNLESS it can be ascertained which forum it belongs in.
Secondly, I said *copy* the thread, which means it would include the OPs original question. Jochem already said to me, and I'll paraphrase here, "I would have said copied if that's what I had done" implying that he could copy a thread and not simply move it.
Besides, even if it did look like it was coming from the moderator, a simple statement that the thread was copied to the "correct" location would settle that issue.
Captiv8r wrote:
Hi Phillip
Your post confuses me for a few different reasons.
PjonesCET wrote:
Its not the folks here object so much to the moving. Its what happens by the move. For expample I follow all the new threads in this group and in Acrobat.
If your only interest is in Forum Comments and Acrobat, why are you replying to the post if it's not one that belongs here? And in one of the cases where you were complaining about ending up in a different forum it was quite obvious that the thread had been moved, as comments were in the thread to indicate so. So your real complaint with that occurrence was that you didn't want to take the time to read the thread.
inserted comment here: No I wanted to read the original thread, but once its moved I have no interest or desire to follow it once its moved.
PjonesCET wrote:
But doing that as soon as I click on the email notification, "BOOM!" I am in Photoshop, or some other Forum I have no interest in and by doing so I am now subscribed to a Forum I don't want to be in . Now I have unsubscribe from the thread in the new forum and the new forum I've been dumped in
That one is odd to me for a couple of reasons. If you have no interest in what goes on in the forum the thread was moved to, you obviously have no interest in or are unable to help with the question. So why are you replying? I know that many will point their fingers and say it's just buggy Jive software, but personally, I watch threads here and in many other forums too. If I participate in a thread that gets moved to a forum I'm not subscribed to, I only have to unsubscribe once. Just from the thread. I'm not automagickally subscribed to the entire forum as a result.
inserted comment here: I want to post only to guide the person to the proper Forum, or give an answer (like we "all" use to do in the old webx Forums. After I have done so then I now longer have desire to follow. A lot of times new people come in and "Highjack" a thread, in that case I want to follow the original thread. If the thread happens to be something associated with Acrobat or perhaps even DreamWeaver (products I own) I may wish to. But if there was a Lik to move to that thread rather automatically moved, I would have the option to follow the topic.
My experience mirrors those of my fellow Community Expert Curt Wrigley. When I move threads in the forums I monitor, I've yet to see any complaints from anyone. But in perhaps 90% of the cases, a post back with a sincere thanks has occurred. In the other 10%, I've heard nothing. Now some here may argue that doesn't mean those 10% were unhappy. I would respectfully disagree. Why? Because it's not typical human nature to report on how good something is unless it's REALLY good! The typical human nature is to definitely provide feedback if you are unhappy. So my view on this is that if those 10% were unhappy about the move occurring, they DEFINITELY would have posted back to advise they didn't like the action.
inserted comment here: I have no objections to the moving of threads. Its's what happens after the thread is moved. I end up being subscribe to a furm and thread I have no desire to go to. I then have to Unsubscribe from thread and forum.
Since observing all of this drama about moving threads and how some here totally disagree with the practice, I've been conducting my own little informal survey of average folks I encounter. These folks don't participate in forums much but do understand what they are and how to use them. I've yet to find someone that agrees with what some would feel is general consensus here. That moving posts is a bad thing. Please note that I also list the "down" side of the post lingering in two places for a period of time. Everyone I've asked so far has also indicated that if they were new to a forum, they would have no idea they could turn off E-Mail subscriptions until after they started receiving them.
Cheers all... Rick
See instered comments above. Also GreeJumpy said it best. Move it but put a link in the post notifying the post will continue her and give everyone the option to follow to the new forum. Because as soon as you go to that forum you are automatically subscribe to the Forum and thread.
Hi Phillip
So you are saying that if you reply to a thread that has been moved, you begin receiving gobs and gobs of E-Mail for ALL posts that happen to appear in the forum after a post is moved? If so, that's not what happens to me. I only receive E-Mail from the single thread as others reply to it. If that's happening to you it may be a bug in the forum software or something.
Now if all you receive are replies to the message, that seems perfectly normal. Any message you choose to reply to you are automatically subscribed to unless you have configured otherwise. So in this case, if the thread is moved to a high traffic forum that sees perhaps 200 or more posts each day, you don't get 200+ additional E-Mail messages. You only get messages for that single thread.
I think in your case you are simply confused. A thread was moved and you suddenly began seeing messages that appeared to be coming from a different forum. It wasn't the forum you were subscribed to, so there was no need to unsubscribe to the forum. That was wasted effort. You only needed to unsubscribe from the thread.
Again, it seems such a trivial task to glance at the breadcrumb trail to see where a thread is before you choose to reply. Especially if you know the thread is asking a question that doesn't seem to fit where you believed it was to begin with.
Cheers... Rick 
Hi John
John Joslin wrote:
Not for the poor lost souls that have entered these disastrous forums for the first time!
The statement wasn't aimed at that audience. It was instead aimed at those that frequent the forums in attempts to help. Those that have participated for a long while, are familiar and should have a clue how the forums work. If a person is here for the first time, they are likely here to ask the question to begin with.
I know that many of the long timers disagree that what we have now is an improvement on what was before. That's fine and everyone is entitled to their own opinion on that. Personally, I like what we have. Do I think it's perfect? No, show me software that is and I'll show you lots of vaporware. 
In the fora I mostly work in, I've yet to see any real complaints about the Jive software other than an occasional blurb about Search not being the best. And we all agree it could stand improving. Other than that, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in them that would say they are disastrous.
Cheers... Rick
Captiv8r wrote:
Hi Phillip
So you are saying that if you reply to a thread that has been moved, you begin receiving gobs and gobs of E-Mail for ALL posts that happen to appear in the forum after a post is moved? If so, that's not what happens to me. I only receive E-Mail from the single thread as others reply to it. If that's happening to you it may be a bug in the forum software or something.
Comment inserted here: Yes that is what I am saying, doesn't matter if I go to thread by the email notification or go directlt by web browser. Apllies in Safari, OmniWeb, Opera, iCab, SeaMonkey, or FireFox.
Now if all you receive are replies to the message, that seems perfectly normal. Any message you choose to reply to you are automatically subscribed to unless you have configured otherwise. So in this case, if the thread is moved to a high traffic forum that sees perhaps 200 or more posts each day, you don't get 200+ additional E-Mail messages. You only get messages for that single thread.
Comment inserted here:While maybe not 200 or more, it is more than just the thread that was moved. And I do have to go back up top in "your stuff" and turn off subscriptions to the newly subscribed Forum.
I think in your case you are simply confused. A thread was moved and you suddenly began seeing messages that appeared to be coming from a different forum. It wasn't the forum you were subscribed to, so there was no need to unsubscribe to the forum. That was wasted effort. You only needed to unsubscribe from the thread.
Again, it seems such a trivial task to glance at the breadcrumb trail to see where a thread is before you choose to reply. Especially if you know the thread is asking a question that doesn't seem to fit where you believed it was to begin with.
Cheers... Rick
greenjumpyone wrote:
Robo,
don't insult my intelligence. I have been around this forum for longer than you know and certainly much longer than my current profile shows. I *do* know how to navigate a forum. Clearly I did figure out I was somewhere other than the original forum I posted in. gads, you guys are treating me like I'm an idiot!
Then don't post as if you are!
Your post implied that you clicked a link to the thread and had no clue you were anywhere other than the forum comments forum and you were oh so confused by that sudden change.
I suppose your purpose of writing it that way was an attempt to illustrate what you are imagining a lost user must feel?
Cheers... Rick
Hi there
I have moved one and maybe two threads, but I leave that to Jochem as he is doing a fine job here. I've never personally deleted a thread in this forum. Nor have I ever censored or locked a thread. I don't consider this forum one of mine to freely moderate. I watch and participate though.
I did, however make the HUGE mistake of temporarily parking a thread here once. Only to be blasted by several for doing so. Given the reaction to that, I cannot imagine how unwelcome someone new feels when everyone piles on to point out they are in the wrong place and telling them how they screwed up and to go to the right place and ask type their question again.
That's why I personally feel it's kinder to the poster to simply move a thread to where it really belongs. They have already asked the question. It's there and just waiting for an answer. So what if it ends up in the wrong place? Advise them of the issue, advise them the thread is being moved and move it to where it may get them the help they came to find.
It seems from the general reaction of a few here that you feel it's a better approach to stand them up, point out their error and make them feel unwelcome and point out how badly they screwed up. I simply disagree with that approach.
Cheers... Rick
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