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Any recent change? Logged out many times a day

LEGEND ,
Dec 15, 2009 Dec 15, 2009

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Starting today at some indeterminate time, I have been logged out of the forums in less that one hour periods. Firefox/Mac, Safari/Vista, Explorer/Vista.

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Mentor ,
Dec 22, 2009 Dec 22, 2009

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a Hostile takeover in the business world  is where is business is offerred a Price the investor can't turn down even though the employees don't want it. In some cases they will align themselves with another company they like better to avoid that given company buy them. Adobe offerred a price  Macromedia could turn down with out destroying their value on the Market.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 22, 2009 Dec 22, 2009

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Phillip,

Thanks. I'm very familiar with the term, but had not picked up that the Macromedia employees, and possibly the stockholders, were adverse to the "merger." You did cite several sources, so I would guess that I just was totally unaware of the internal dissension involved. If those sources stated it, then I do agree that the takeover was "hostile." I just missed that side of it.

Appreciated, as always,

Hunt

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LEGEND ,
Dec 22, 2009 Dec 22, 2009

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Rick,

From the little reading that I did about the time of the, well let's call it a "merger," everyone seemed happy. Adobe was able to offer Macromedia many good things, and their programs would then replace some Adobe offerings, that were not up to snuff.

Maybe I just do not follow the software "porn" all that closely. Same for wine "porn," it is usually so heavily biased, depending on with whom one has aligned themselves, as to be almost useless, except to an real "insider."

From my standpoint, as a user of both Macromedia products, and those of Adobe, it seemed to be a good fit, from my side-o-the-street. Maybe I missed something.

Yeah, "hostile takeover" sounds like students taking over the administration building and demanding twinkies in the cafeteria, or something.

For me, this merger meant that the upgrade price for my Macromedia stuff actually fell by a bit. It also meant that with the Master Collection, I could upgrade almost everything in one purchase and one installation. Maybe I am missing something very large and very important?

Just my observations,

Hunt

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LEGEND ,
Dec 22, 2009 Dec 22, 2009

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the_wine_snob wrote:

... It also meant that with the Master Collection, ...

A bit of an off-topic question (but not too off-topic for this forum).

Someone posted a question regarding the Master Collection in the Flash Player forum (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/543293).  Any idea to what forum to send this poster?

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LEGEND ,
Dec 22, 2009 Dec 22, 2009

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Unfortunately, with the suites, that can be tough, as there are so many possible programs. The Master Collection has what was once the Macromedia "Studio" suite, plus a double handful of previously Adobe products.

If they are needing help for a particular program, that would be the product forum to direct them.

Going back to before the recent forum changeover, there was an old Production Studio forum. Unfortunately, it saw little traffic, and the vast majority of questions should have been asked in the appropriate product forum, say the PrPro forum.

The suites raise a very grey area. Were I needing help with, say my CS2 Production Studio, I would seek the exact forum for the product in question, say the Encore forum. I do not think that there is any one forum to cover it all. If it's, say an installation problem with ALL products, then I would not have a clue. If it's a problem with, say Photoshop, then that would be the correct forum. The slope gets very slippery, when one moves up the suite hierarchy, and I believe that the Master Collection is the top of the heap.

Can you point me to the post, and I'll be glad to take a look and attempt to direct them to the proper forum - though that might well be a guess.

Thanks for thinking of the OP in this case. Too often I do not consider such things.

Appreciated,

Hunt

[Edit] Sorry, I did not notice that link, when I posted, and will follow up. Thanks!

Message was edited by: the_wine_snob - Added [Edit]

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LEGEND ,
Dec 23, 2009 Dec 23, 2009

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Hunt: thank you for answering the question in the Flash Player forum!

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LEGEND ,
Dec 23, 2009 Dec 23, 2009

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Hi Hunt

I was intrigued with Phillip's mention of a "Hostile Takeover", so did some poking around of my own. As with anything, I suppose what I found should be taken with a grain of salt, but my first search of just wondering what constituted a "Hostile Takeover" led me to WikiPedia.

According to WikiPedia, a Hostile Takeover is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeover#Hostile_takeovers

Hostile takeovers

A hostile takeover allows a suitor to bypass a target company's management unwilling to agree to a merger or takeover. A takeover is considered "hostile" if the target company's board rejects the offer, but the bidder continues to pursue it, or the bidder makes the offer without informing the target company's board beforehand.

A hostile takeover can be conducted in several ways. A tender offer can be made where the acquiring company makes a public offer at a fixed price above the current market price. Tender offers in the USA are regulated with the Williams Act. An acquiring company can also engage in a proxy fight, whereby it tries to persuade enough shareholders, usually a simple majority, to replace the management with a new one which will approve the takeover. Another method involves quietly purchasing enough stock on the open market, known as a creeping tender offer, to effect a change in management. In all of these ways, management resists the acquisition but it is carried out anyway.

The main consequence of a bid being considered hostile is practical rather than legal. If the board of the target cooperates, the bidder can conduct extensive due diligence into the affairs of the target company. It can find out exactly what it is taking on before it makes a commitment. But a hostile bidder knows about the target by only the information that is publicly available, and so takes a greater risk. Also, banks are less willing to back hostile bids with the loans that are usually needed to finance the takeover. However, some investors may proceed with hostile takeovers because they are aware of mismanagement by the board and are trying to force the issue into public and potentially legal scrutiny.

According to an article on ZDNet UK posted August 25, 2005:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39214956,00.htm

Adobe took another step towards completing its takeover of digital media company Macromedia on Wednesday,

after both company's shareholders approved the deal.

Of the 75 percent of outstanding Adobe shares voted, approximately 99 percent were cast in favour of the acquisition. Of the 73.2 percent of outstanding Macromedia shares voted, 99.8 percent were cast in favour.

Now certainly everyone is entitled to their own view of events, and certainly not everyone was all happy about the acquisition, but based on what I read I'd hardly call it a hostile takeover. It seems that the shareholders of both companies were overwhelmingly positive to the deal.

That's what puzzled me about it. Normally when something such as a hostile takeover is looming, the media is all over it and that's like all you hear about day after day until it subsides and normalizes. And I never recalled seeing anything along those lines. So I was more than a bit confused by the use of the term.

Cheers... Rick

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Mentor ,
Dec 23, 2009 Dec 23, 2009

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Captiv8r wrote:

Hi Hunt

-------------------snip-------------------
Now certainly everyone is entitled to their own view of events, and certainly not everyone was all happy about the acquisition, but based on what I read I'd hardly call it a hostile takeover. It seems that the shareholders of both companies were overwhelmingly positive to the deal.

That's what puzzled me about it. Normally when something such as a hostile takeover is looming, the media is all over it and that's like all you hear about day after day until it subsides and normalizes. And I never recalled seeing anything along those lines. So I was more than a bit confused by the use of the term.

Cheers... Rick

The operative word is the shareholders. As long as the shareholders want it. Its okay. The employees and Customers don't figure into the equation.

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Valorous Hero ,
Dec 23, 2009 Dec 23, 2009

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LOL, I might respectfully suggest that molten lava would suddenly develop frost if employees and customers were to ever be figured into such deals.

Call me jaded if you like, but to me the bottom line is that it's always been about the bottom line. It never has been and never will be about employees or customers. We simply must adapt. Like it or not. I'm not preaching, just stating a fact.

When you think about it, the unfortunate part of it all is that if those that are on the side of not being happy with things choose to vote with their feet by refusing to purchase future products, the new conglomerate is likely too large to really notice it much, if at all. Because with each acquisition it seems to grow a bit more insulation from such things and become more tolerant of a few lost sales. Overall, the larger company simply grows and shareholders are generally happy when that happens. So even in the end it's viewed as an overall favorable move.

Just an observation... Rick

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LEGEND ,
Dec 21, 2009 Dec 21, 2009

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PjonesCET wrote:

...so I figure if you use your email then you will be signed in with your proper id and will stay in.

Wrong. I cannot log in using my email address as my ID. But I am prompted with it when I try to log in.

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Mentor ,
Dec 21, 2009 Dec 21, 2009

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That's strange I can use either. Opens different accounts though.

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Guest
Dec 21, 2009 Dec 21, 2009

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logged in at 7:30am. was logged out by 10:30... hmm...

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LEGEND ,
Dec 25, 2009 Dec 25, 2009

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Sorry to butt in and return to the original topic, specially considering that most probably JC won't be around

here until after January 1st,

so this is just for the record.

Out of town, on somebody else's computer, Explorer/XP, completely different ISP, cable connection.

Logged in less than 12 hour ago, just came in after about 6 hours of inactivity only to find that I had been logged out.

All extra linefeeds kindly provided by the software.

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Mentor ,
Dec 25, 2009 Dec 25, 2009

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You Just proved its defect at a

dobe and not at your end.  Sounds like the database

adobe use for user information has some defaults in it.

And if that is the case they they need to wre-write that portion of the database.

Interesting.

(weird linefeeds provided by Adobe Forums)

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LEGEND ,
Dec 29, 2009 Dec 29, 2009

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Well, it does seem to be a problem with my main account (this one). My Adobe ID is NOT my email address, but when trying to log in, I am prompted with my email address. If I try to log in with my email address, I am told that my Adobe ID and password do not match, but they do when I use my non email address.


I therefore tried changing both my email address and my Adobe ID, to a new email address. It didn't work; although the system accepts my new email address, it does not take it as my Adobe ID. I then changed back to my old email address, checking the box saying that I want to use my email address as my Adobe ID. Same story again: my "new" email address is accepted, but my Adobe ID is still my non email address.


Too complicated for me.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 13, 2010 Jan 13, 2010

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It's now some days since I started again to been logged out after relatively short periods of inactivity (a few hours) in spite of not restarting my browser... Apart from some failed attempts to change my Adobe ID to an email address, I havent changed anything in any of my computers/browsers.

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Guest
Jan 14, 2010 Jan 14, 2010

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I am able to log in and post here. Very time consuming. Time for lunch now.

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New Here ,
Jan 14, 2010 Jan 14, 2010

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I've not been logged out for several weeks now on IE6. Too ba

d the rest of the problems remain (like that fun line break, for example).

(And while the speed is turgid compared to what it was before the 'improvements', it is no where near as slow as some people have reported.)

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Guest
Jan 18, 2010 Jan 18, 2010

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When the change occured months ago with the log out routine I have stayed logged in for many days at a time, despite shutting off my computer each night.

I changed my screen name last week, and now each morning I have to log in.  Interesting.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 18, 2010 Jan 18, 2010

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Curt Y wrote:

When the change occured months ago with the log out routine I have stayed logged in for many days at a time, despite shutting off my computer each night.

I changed my screen name last week, and now each morning I have to log in.  Interesting.

Before the change, I stayed logged for months. After the change, I have rarely stayed logged for more than 24 hours, and there are periods, such as now, when I am logged out after a couple of hours of inactivity. And, although I can change my email address, my Adobe ID remains unchanged. Also interesting.


May I ask you if your Adobe ID is an email address?

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Jan 18, 2010 Jan 18, 2010

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Claudio González wrote:

Before the change, I stayed logged for months. After the change, I have rarely stayed logged for more than 24 hours, and there are periods, such as now, when I am logged out after a couple of hours of inactivity. And, although I can change my email address, my Adobe ID remains unchanged. Also interesting.


May I ask you if your Adobe ID is an email address?

My ID is my email address, but I have not changed that.  I re-checked the "remember me box" on the log-in page, will let you know it that changes anything.

I too get logged out after long periods of inactivity.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 20, 2010 Jan 20, 2010

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As an update, I can stay logged-in on Chrome for a full day, regardless of the activity.

However, each boot up, I need to go to Adobe.com and go through the process of logging-in there. Once done, I have not gotten logged-out in the middle of any session, and it was happening about every 20 mins. Not sure what this means, as it is just an observation. I have cleaned all cookies dozens of times, and that does not seem to affect anything.

At least I now know the "drill," and follow the steps and then am logged-in until I shut down.

Good luck to all,

Hunt

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Jan 21, 2010 Jan 21, 2010

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It has been three days now since I re-checked the "remember me" box on the Adobe sign in page.  I have not been logged out yet.  I have had long periods of inactivity, and have shut down my computer twice and I still am logged in when I navigate to site with bookmark.

So it appears that the "remember me" box does work, as before with it unchecked I was logged out frequetly, and always on a reboot of computer.  So perhaps with some browsers/computers the "remember me" box does not register with Adobe even with it checked.

I am using the latest Firefox browser.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 21, 2010 Jan 21, 2010

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So it seems that my problem is different. I think there is some sort of corruption with the data in my account, due to its age and to the fact that I resisted the pressure from Adobe to change my Adobe ID to an email address. Now I cannot change it in any way, although I can change my email, and am prompted with muy current email address as my Adobe ID when logging in, but only my old non emai address ID works. I have tried this using several combinations of platforms/browsers, and even different ISPs, but without any luck.

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