e-mail posting test -- (post whatever you want here)

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Ok, this is just to test e-mail postings.

You can post whatever you want here for testing purposes ...

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Ok, this is just to test e-mail postings.

You can post whatever you want here for testing purposes ...

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What No Points!!!!!!!

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LOL

"What No Points!!!!!!!"

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testing quotations:

<blockquote> "What No Points!!!!!!!" </quote>

What No Points!!!!!!!

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Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

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When you write something within brackets like this:

[some-text-here-will-create-a-link]

it will create this link:

some-text-here-will-create-a-link

Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

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kanguyen wrote on 2009-05-26 14:37:

Christian, I'm trying to figure out what's different between your posts so that some of them show up as links and others, not?

He is using characters in his messages that these forums interpret as

formatting instructions. For instance shared brackets are Wiki notation

for a link, so Jive will interpret anything between them as a link.

Obviously that is a very bad choice of Jive to use for email formatting

codes because in email the square brackets are used to summarize

previous messages. (If Jive had really thought about it they would have

realized that people who want formatting already use formatting by

sending HTML mail, so there never is a reason to parse any plain text

email message.)

There are a dozens of messages in the Testing forum from mainly Mark and

me trying to figure out how Jive works, but in the end Jive logged bug

CS-13412 for it: http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/message/212821#212821

Jochem

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http://jochem.vandieten.net/

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<blockquote>He is using characters in his messages that these forums interpret as formatting instructions. For instance shared brackets are Wiki notation for a link, so Jive will interpret anything between them as a link.</blockquote>

Yes, and with the "plus sign" you toggle between italics and non-italics. Which basically means, that you cannot use the "plus sign" in e-mail replies ...

So forget mathematics, etc.

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<blockquote> (If Jive had really thought about it they would have realized that people who want formatting already use formatting by sending HTML mail, so there never is a reason to parse any plain text email message.) </blockquote>

+ I even think it currently doesn't matter whether we reply in html or

plain text. + I think I was using html mail and apparently it was

parsed, too.

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(7500+4500,16 + bit,10MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL AD after moving).

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As Christian said, it tries to parse everything between square brackets - presumably looking for certain keywords that it will use to present the message in the Web forum. A few that I'm aware of:

These require a matching closing tag,

b for bold

i for italic

code for code

There are more, but what seems to happen when Jive does not recognize a keyword is that it creates a link.

And here's an example of a Web forum link that does not arrive in the email notifications as a link. Posting code in this forum. It gets converted to a relative path surrounded by old-school ANSI bold notation: *bold text*

I haven't tested much, but I wonder if that only applies to forum links? Here is a fake link. Here is a bold fake link.

Did you get three URLs in your email?

[Edit - this entire message was done in the Web interface]

Strange! I originally had my b, i, and code above enclosed in square brackets for full representation, but I could not post the message online. It popped up a "Are you sure you want to navigate away..." message. When I finally said OK, it came back with "You cannot post an empty message" or something similar - and my message was completely empty.

Here is how it looked, but this time inside a code block.

Nope. I can't do it in here, either

Apparently, having that inside the regular text prevented my post.

Message was edited by: Mark A. Boyd

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Christian Davideck wrote:

test

(7500+4500,16 + bit,10MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL AD after moving).

that's what you get when sending this via e-mail:

[test]
(7500+4500,16 + bit,10+MP raw SMO, hitting CTRL A+D after moving).

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so square brackets aren't the only sign causing problems...

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Definitely not. There is a way to post code inside code blocks, but it is still broken. See some of the threads in the test forum for more. This one in particular http://forums.adobe.com/thread/432491

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<blockquote> Definitely not. There is a way to post code inside code blocks, </blockquote>

why not just get completely rid of parsing the e-mail text ... (i.e.

treat it as plain text if it's plain text and treat it as html, if it's

html?? ... that's what any e-mail client does when displaying incoming

e-mail messages ...)

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Because that would open the door for the unscrupulous. Cross-site-scripting and all sorts of trouble. Never trust input from the end-user to your site. It is smart to sanitize the code, but it would be better if they would sanitize it smartly.

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Christian Davideck wrote:


why not just get completely rid of parsing the e-mail text ... (i.e.

treat it as plain text if it's plain text and treat it as html, if it's

html?? ... that's what any e-mail client does when displaying incoming

e-mail messages ...)

Because these brand new forums are broke... already

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Okay. Adobe's trying to fix it, and we give input/ideas.

I was just wondering why they couldn't do it like this:

plaintext e-mail response ==> displayed as is

html e-mail respons ==> displayed in (simple) html, stripping scripts, etc.

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Stripping html, scripts and more would defeat the purpose of sending such code . There are several Adobe products that use ECMA-based scripts (similar to JavaScript), plus the Web dev applications for developing Web sites.

And you still have to parse plain text to get it to be legible on a Web page. Either that or encapsulate the entire post in a <pre> element that I am sure would be unacceptable to many of the folks complaining about design in here.

Their code is almost there, it just needs some tweaking to get it right.

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<blockquote>Because that would open the door for the unscrupulous. Cross-site-scripting and all sorts of trouble. Never trust input from the end-user to your site. It is smart to sanitize the code, but it would be better if they would sanitize it smartly.</blockquote>

I never said, they should allow scripting!

Simple html would be enough.

And I don't see ANY reason, why PLAIN TEXT mails should be sanitized ?? Just display them as-is !

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code can always be sent within special code blocks which wouldn't be parsed

(code) (/code)

I can't write squared brackets, sorry...

but why not strip scripts for the rest and don't parse plaintext ?

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Christian Davideck wrote:

code can always be sent within special code blocks which wouldn't be parsed

(code) (/code)

Well yea, that is the goal. But its current implementation is broken. Apparently Jive had no cause to test it with some of the common methods used for code - including a simple iteration variable, i, in brackets.

but why not strip scripts for the rest and don't parse plaintext ?

Why? WHY? There is no why, there is only Jive.

Guessing, I would say they wanted to translate plain text old-style *bold*, _underline_, and /italics/ notation into actual bold, underline and italics symantecs for the pretty Web display. I don't know where they came up with using +italics+. Maybe it existed elsewhere, but it's a new one on me. Plus implement some sort of method to display hyperlinks in anchor elements - that doesn't work as I expected.

Just another bit of evidence that HTTP is not the ideal method for this type of communication.

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And I don't see ANY reason, why PLAIN TEXT mails should be sanitized ?? Just display them as-is !

Oh, but it should. Never trust input from a user. To display plain text as is would require jumping outside of HTML for web display. Not sure if this still works, but click the following link online for a preview. Note that I stripped all headers and the Jive footer from this example.

message.txt

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Why? WHY? There is no why, there is only Jive.

LOL

Guessing, I would say they wanted to translate plain text

old-style bold, underline, and /italics/ notation into actual

bold, underline and italics symantecs for the pretty Web display. I

don't know where they came up with using italics. Maybe it existed

elsewhere, but it's a new one on me. Plus implement some sort of method

to display hyperlinks in anchor elements - that doesn't work as I

expected.

Just another bit of evidence that HTTP is not the ideal method for this type of communication.

thanks for the explanation.

they should get away with this bold, underline and /italics/ stuff, but allow

<b></b>
<i></i>

etc. instead

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<blockquote> Oh, but it should. Never trust input from a user. To display plain text as is would require jumping outside of HTML for web display. Not sure if this still works, but click the following link online for a preview. Note that I stripped all headers and the Jive footer from this example. http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/3985/message.txt </blockquote> Sorry, I can't follow you here ... <b>Why wouldn't be a plain-text email treated the same way as the keystrokes in the webinterface ??</b

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There's that "why" again

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yes, it's JIVE ... but even JIVE is configurable

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Hi I put this queery in several threads, then started a new thread called "About emails linked to the fora they come from" I'm not very familiar with forum procedures and so on.  Someone gave me this link as a more appropriate place to look into.

Here is my new thread post:

I would like to understand the relationship between the questions answered in the fora and the subsequent emails I receive as a result of it. I can see the content of those emails in the relevant forum I attend, but when I answer those emails my content does not appear in that forum, yet the bottom of the emails I receive stipulate that to reply the email is the prefered manner to add to the forum.

ie "To post a reply to the thread message, either reply to this email (recommended) or visit the message page:"


This bothers me a little as when I reply an email I tend to be more personal to the person who sent it to me, but if I know it will be also in the thread, which I thought it should I would try to alter my reply appropriately.

I remember vaguely reading in one of the first such email I received (in the header perhaps) something about brackets not to be removed but can't find where it is anymore.

thank you for any light ont he subject

MM

Not part of the conversation: I copied the above bold text from one of those email, but right click in this space did not show "Paste"? (yes Ctrl V did work

But after reading many inputs in this thread I can see that it could be a while b4 I get a workable answer. Perhaps someone should explain clearly in layman language what will work and what will not. It must be working because I received quite a few replies by email and I could see them too in the forum involved, so why not mines??? all I do is click "reply" (in gmail) and enter plain text most of the time.

MM

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Perhaps this will mean something to somebody and his the reason why my emails don't get to the forum:

Mail Delivery System

to me
show details 16:30 (1 minute ago)
Reply
Follow up message
This is the mail system at host mail.sgaur.hosted.jivesoftware.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                  The mail system

<clearspace-910386857-292789-2-1989572@mail.forums.adobe.com>: host
   10.137.24.42[10.137.24.42] said: 553
   <clearspace-910386857-292789-2-1989572@mail.forums.adobe.com> address
   unknown. (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; clearspace-910386857-292789-2-1989572@mail.forums.adobe.com
Original-Recipient: rfc822;clearspace-910386857-292789-2-1989572@mail.forums.adobe.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; 10.137.24.42
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553
   <clearspace-910386857-292789-2-1989572@mail.forums.adobe.com> address
   unknown.

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I would like to understand the relationship between the questions answered in the fora and the subsequent emails I receive as a result of it. I can see the content of those emails in the relevant forum I attend, but when I answer those emails my content does not appear in that forum, yet the bottom of the emails I receive stipulate that to reply the email is the prefered manner to add to the forum.

ie "To post a reply to the thread message, either reply to this email (recommended) or visit the message page:"

The email system was apparently not accepting incoming emails this past weekend. It was fixed, though. Are you still getting the bounces? I personally recommend against using email to reply for the time being. It's OK for plain, simple text I suppose.

This bothers me a little as when I reply an email I tend to be more personal to the person who sent it to me, but if I know it will be also in the thread, which I thought it should I would try to alter my reply appropriately.

When working, your email reply goes into the thread and an email copy will be sent to everybody who has subscribed to that thread or forum. Just like using the Web version to reply.

I remember vaguely reading in one of the first such email I received (in the header perhaps) something about brackets not to be removed but can't find where it is anymore.

thank you for any light ont he subject

They got rid of that part of the subject header so you can now "Group by" subject in your email program. Not exactly threading, but it helps.

Not part of the conversation: I copied the above bold text from one of those email, but right click in this space did not show "Paste"? (yes Ctrl V did work

Yep. That's how it works in here.

But after reading many inputs in this thread I can see that it could be a while b4 I get a workable answer. Perhaps someone should explain clearly in layman language what will work and what will not. It must be working because I received quite a few replies by email and I could see them too in the forum involved, so why not mines??? all I do is click "reply" (in gmail) and enter plain text most of the time.

As of this writing, think of the email notifications as just a way of telling you that somebody has replied to a thread or forum you're subscribed to. It cannot even be depended on to accurately represent what the other person said in their post. Best bet is to log into the Web forum to read and/or post. The email system just isn't quite ready yet. All my opinion, of course.

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I received quite a few replies by email and I could see them too in the forum involved, so why not mines??? all I do is click

"reply" (in gmail) and enter plain text most of the time.

For some bizarre reason, you don't get a notification of your own posts. I suppose they reckon that you know what you wrote, but it

means that any 'conversation' between you and another user looks like a monologue in your mail client. I /think/ they've promised to

correct this.

Noel

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<blockquote>For some bizarre reason, you don't get a notification of your own posts. I suppose they reckon that you know what you wrote, but it means that any 'conversation' between you and another user looks like a monologue in your mail client. I /think/ they've promised to correct this.</blockquote>

I'd love to see this corrected, too.

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Ildhund wrote:

For some bizarre reason, you don't get a notification of your own posts. I suppose they reckon that you know what you wrote, but it

means that any 'conversation' between you and another user looks like a monologue in your mail client. I /think/ they've promised to

correct this.

I am under the impression that they're looking into it, too, but I don't see it listed specifically in the FAQ What are some updates as to what is happening in the new forums? Of course, it could be one that fits in the last item in that list.

I would like this capability, too.

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This is what I remember:

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