Forum Formatting Glitch - Inline Italics

LEGEND ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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Using IE9 whenever I embed italicized words in a sentence I see them jam against the following word.

Do these words seem spaced properly to you or do the italicized words seem jammed against the words that follow?

Do these words seem spaced properly to you or do the italicized words seem jammed against the words that follow?

This is a basic formatting glitch - possibly having to do with the font choice - that should never be seen in this millenium from a company that actually does graphics and even makes fonts.

Here's a screen grab of what I see:

Jammed.jpg

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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As a follow-on, one has to wonder why when composing a post the Editor lists the font as Arial, but it ultimately gets changed.

If one actually goes into the HTML and FORCES the font to something else, note what happens to the spacing...

Do these words seem spaced properly to you or do the italicized words seem jammed against the words that follow?

Do these words seem spaced properly to you or do the italicized words seem jammed against the words that follow?

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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Looks perfectly fine to me:

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Mentor ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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views fine for me.

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LEGEND ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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Pat Willener wrote:

Looks perfectly fine to me

Both of you:  Mac or PC, and which browser?

I'm on IE9 on Windows.

-Noel

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Mentor ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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Looks Fine for me. I use MacBook Pro 17", and SeaMonkey/FireFox.

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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Thanks.  Since IE9 is the current browser on the current Windows OS, this leads me to wonder...

  • Did anyone actually test the proposed forum changes on a PC before putting them online?

  • Did the private beta testers actually report anything?

  • Did the forum implementers actually pay attention to anything that was reported?

What is the time pressure to put updates to the web forum software online before it is fully debugged?

I'm sorry for being critical, but basic broken things like this showing up in one of the most popular browsers on the planet should embarrass the hell out of Adobe.

Edit:  Make that TWO of the most popular browsers.  This is captured from FireFox 12.0 on Windows:

ItalicsSpacingProblemFirefox.jpg

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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Firefox/Mac:

Untitled-1.jpg

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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Thanks Claudio.  So you're seeing it too.

It's clear to me we're seeing different fonts, and they both have the problem!

This magnified animated comparison illustrates the difference between what Claudio and I are seeing quite plainly. Ignoring rendering engine font smoothing and pixel positioning differences, note that the italics slant is different and there's a significant difference in the shape of the lower case e.

Since the problem is showing with the AdobeCleanRegular font I am displaying, and presumably it's somehow a Mac variant of that font for you, but NOT showing with Verdana (as I illustrated in post 2 above), I think we can assume it's the fault of the AdobeCleanRegular font.

So...

What is going to be done about this?

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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Use Verdana?

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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I'm all for it.  Or Arial.  Touché, by the way! 

I don't think I'm up to changing every post I type to Verdana by hand, though, especially since the Advanced Editor link is missing from the reply panel.  But just for you I changed this one! 

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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No, what I meant is that it's up to Adobe/Jive to take such a simple step as changing the default typeface to Verdana. But of course this will never happen...

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LEGEND ,
May 11, 2012 May 11, 2012

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Noel Carboni wrote:

Pat Willener wrote:

Looks perfectly fine to me

Both of you:  Mac or PC, and which browser?

I'm on IE9 on Windows.

My "perfectly fine" comment was when using Waterfox 12 on Windows 7.

Since you are on IE9, I opened this topic with IE9: it looks the same awful way as your initial screenshot.

Just another reason not to use IE...

(To explain my last comment above: I do web application development, among other things.  I develop & test exclusively on Firefox/Waterfox.  One of the users of my software insists on using IE; naturally nothing works as expected.  I would have to develop everything twice if it should work on both browser types.  I do actually have some code in place for the most important parts:

if (MSIE)... else...;

But it's simply impossible to do that for every line of the code!)

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LEGEND ,
May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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Pat Willener wrote:

Just another reason not to use IE...

IE is not the culprit, because I see the same thing in Firefox.  Does that mean I (and those who are also seeing this problem) somehow have gotten a bogus copy of the AdobeCleanRegular font?  I don't know.  I don't even see Adobe Clean in my list of fonts in C:\Windows\Fonts.

Pat, it's pretty clear you're not looking at the same font at all when you're not seeing the problem.  Note that the descender on the lower-case y is supposed to be slightly curved for example.  Yours is straight.

It would be nice to know whether this is being looked into.

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 18, 2012 May 18, 2012

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First I need to say that on another machine with Firefox 12 on Windows XP, I see the same font problem as Noel does.  I don't know why I do not see it on this Windows 7 computer.

Then, maybe someone can explain this to me: I thought that I could only see fonts on websites if these fonts are actually installed on my computer.  That's why (I thought) a web designer specifies a series of choice fonts or families in the font or style tag.

Is that not so any more?  Where does that Adobe Clean font coming from?  I certainly do not have it installed on any of my systems.

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May 18, 2012 May 18, 2012

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LEGEND ,
May 19, 2012 May 19, 2012

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Thanks; I understand now...

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LEGEND ,
May 19, 2012 May 19, 2012

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One has to wonder... With "hundreds of servers located across North America, Europe, Australia, and Asia", is the exact same font being delivered by each one?   Before you assume "of course it is", keep in mind we've seen plenty of problems with this very forum software delivering different things to different people. 

I'm not even convinced it's delivering the same CSS to different people.

The plain and simple observable fact is that different fonts are showing on the screen for different people.

I don't mean to pressure anyone unduely, but this is not a trivial issue - why aren't we hearing from the Adobe folks on this?  Does someone somewhere think that forcing the use of a font that's this flawed is okay, just because it has Adobe in the name and somehow it works out okay on some browsers?

-Noel

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 18, 2012 May 18, 2012

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Pat, it seems that you are seeing a different font in your first post. Look at your lowercase "L" that might be mistaken for an uppercase" I"...

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LEGEND ,
May 24, 2012 May 24, 2012

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Here, let me make it bigger so the children doing the web programming can see more easily.

It's still broken.

 

I think I'm done with Adobe.com for a while.

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
May 24, 2012 May 24, 2012

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Broken.jpg

-Noel

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