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Somebody was asking http://forums.adobe.com/message/2449539#2449539

about some forum statistics so I thought I should present them

Primary product specialization of moderators;

Adobe employee               27
Adobe technology             21
Macromedia technology        11

(I did not check the Adobe employees for duplicate accounts.)

To put some perspective on those numbers, here are the 10 most active

public forums in terms of total messages:

DreamWeaver               300461
Flash                     112078
Photoshop Lightroom       108742
Flex                      108245
ActionScript 1 and 2      104993
Premiere Pro               78223
InDesign                   76827
Photoshop Windows          67554
Photoshop Macintosh        52019
Action Script 3            49915

Overall, over 50% of total messages in the public forums is in forums

dedicated to a Macromedia based technology. If we then take into

consideration the messages that are in general forums like this one

(almost 1% of total messages is in this forum) or in language based

forums (Spanish etc.) or for products released after the merger, the

percentage of messages about "old school" Adobe products is a clear

minority.

And then I am not even arguing that LiveCycle is not an "old school"

Adobe product

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Somebody was asking http://forums.adobe.com/message/2449539#2449539

about some forum statistics so I thought I should present them

Primary product specialization of moderators;

Adobe employee               27
Adobe technology             21
Macromedia technology        11

(I did not check the Adobe employees for duplicate accounts.)

To put some perspective on those numbers, here are the 10 most active

public forums in terms of total messages:

DreamWeaver               300461
Flash                     112078
Photoshop Lightroom       108742
Flex                      108245
ActionScript 1 and 2      104993
Premiere Pro               78223
InDesign                   76827
Photoshop Windows          67554
Photoshop Macintosh        52019
Action Script 3            49915

Overall, over 50% of total messages in the public forums is in forums

dedicated to a Macromedia based technology. If we then take into

consideration the messages that are in general forums like this one

(almost 1% of total messages is in this forum) or in language based

forums (Spanish etc.) or for products released after the merger, the

percentage of messages about "old school" Adobe products is a clear

minority.

And then I am not even arguing that LiveCycle is not an "old school"

Adobe product

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jochemd wrote:

To put some perspective on those numbers, here are the 10 most active

public forums in terms of total messages:


DreamWeaver               300461
Flash                     112078
Photoshop Lightroom       108742
Flex                      108245
ActionScript 1 and 2      104993
Premiere Pro               78223
InDesign                   76827
Photoshop Windows          67554
Photoshop Macintosh        52019
Action Script 3            49915

Overall, over 50% of total messages in the public forums is in forums

dedicated to a Macromedia based technology. If we then take into

consideration the messages that are in general forums like this one

(almost 1% of total messages is in this forum) or in language based

forums (Spanish etc.) or for products released after the merger, the

percentage of messages about "old school" Adobe products is a clear

minority.

Which means what exactly?  That the "old school" product forums are less important because their numbers are down?  Perhaps the numbers are down due to the software and all of the folks who left in disgust.

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Perhaps the numbers are down due to the software and all of the folks who left in disgust.

The statistics given would be more informative if the 'pre-merger' numbers (which are probably not available) were also given as reference.

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Kami Bambiraptor wrote:

The statistics given would be more informative if the 'pre-merger' numbers (which are probably not available) were also given as reference.

If you mean the numbers from before the Adobe Macromedia merger then I don't think they are available. If you mean the numbers from before the forums merger (i.e. the numbers as per April 1st 2009), then those numbers could be obtained. I don't have them at hand, but any registered user of these forums can extract them from the getMessageCountByCommunityIDAndFilter() method of the forumService webservice.

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I read Jochem's comment as meaning that there is not a disproportional

number of moderators coming from Macromedia technologies to Adobe ones

(as has been suggested). If anything, it is disproportional in the

other direction.

I don't think he was implying that any one specific forum (or group of

forums) is more important than another.

Why does an attempt at a giving some insightful information have to

become an argument?

Harbs

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Harbs. wrote:

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Why does an attempt at a giving some insightful information have to 

become an argument?

Harbs

I would think this is bound to happen when the number of people from both sides who convince themselves that they can read other people's minds increases.

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Touche. I guess I was just a bit guilty of that myself.

I think we'd all benefit by taking a deep breath, dropping all our

preconceived notions, and starting from scratch.

Harbs

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Harbs. wrote:

...

I think we'd all benefit by taking a deep breath, dropping all our 

preconceived notions, and starting from scratch.

Harbs

...

Given the high passions that have grown here, I would thik this would be nearly impossible nowadays. Although it would be nice if all of us could do it, and nobody can stop us from daydreaming...

Message was edited by: Claudio González. Reason: deleting irrelevant comment.

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Claudio González wrote:


Given the high passions that have grown here, I would thik this would be nearly impossible nowadays...

You're probably right, and it's a real shame...

However, I do seem to have noticed some of the animosity displayed by some to others to have died down, so that gives some hope...

Harbs

P.S. RE. your removed comment: I usually respond from email, and I sometimes forget to edit my email signature...

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Harbs. wrote:

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However, I do seem to have noticed some of the animosity displayed by some to others to have died down, so that gives some hope...

Funny, when I wrote my previous comment, I found myself thinking that in the most recent fights the aggressiveness seems to have decreased noticeably. Although the passion is still there, I think there has been quite a lot less name calling and personal attacks than usual. So maybe there is hope after all.

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Harbs,

I was referring to this statement the percentage of messages about "old school" Adobe products is a clear minority.

I didn't understand what JVD thought the significance of the "minority" comment was.

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Hi Hopper,

I'm sorry for reading too much into your words.

I thought you read the post that Jochem linked to. He was responding to Cindy who asked "I would like to know just how many "moderators" are from the Macromedia side and how many came from the "old school" Adobe users."

He was simply giving the requested statistics and comparing the number of moderators to the number of posts from each "school"...

Cheers,

Harbs

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The statistics listed indicate Adobe Employees and Adobe Technology are in the majority.  That would be the answer to Cindy's question.

JVD then stated it was clear that the MESSAGES from the Old School Adobe products are the minority.

I don't see why it would be unreasonable to ask if  he (JVD) was trying to make some kind of point by making that statement.

When one considers that Adobe is the GIANT that ate Macromedia, and from what I understand, Photoshop used to be the most active forum area ( I could be wrong about that), it does seem to me that what we have been crying in the wilderness, that our forums are dying and gone, the most well informed and helpful personalites having left in droves, certainly appears to be correct.

What a shame.

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greenjumpyone wrote:

Which means what exactly?

I don't know. I just run some numbers because I happen to have them and people were interested. Maybe the people who want numbers have something to say about them.

If I were to derive any significance from those numbers, I would say that the most important statistics are the ones that are not in the list. The 2 most pervasive applications from Adobe are the Adobe Reader and the Flash Player. Neither is in the list. So I guess it really is true that "The step after ubiquity is invisibility".

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