where the first item in the list is two weeks old. There is however a TOP PARTICIPANTS box, at present with two names, one of them mine. And if I open the profile of either, I find a list of fairly recent messages, including some of today. And if I click on the title of one of these messages, I'm taken (for example) here:
> Adobe Forums > International Forums > Foros de usuario a usuario > Spain General Discussion > Discussions
But the route i get if I open any of the messages in the window with only old messages is
> Adobe Forums > International Forums > Foros de usuario a usuario > Discussions
one missing step, perhaps explaining the different result.
2. Second problem.
In none of the two routes I get a list of subforums such as Acrobat, InDesign,..., or even grouped in arbitrary categories as in the existing forums. My impression is that categories got simply lost in the process.
The non-English Forums (except for Japan) will be collapsed into one overall forum in the new system. All of the old content should be there, though.
The test forums are a snapshot of these forums as of about 2 weeks ago. You shouldn't find any imported data there less than two weeks old. But you will see any message that were posted in the new forums since Monday.
In the test system you and Xacir are listed as the top users because you two are the only people who have posted messages there since Monday (when the test forum launched).
But I do see an issue. The Adobe and Macromedia Spanish Forums look like they have not been combined during the import. If you go to http://adobeforums.adobe.com/community/international_forums/espanol you will see a "General Discussions" sub forum listed in the right side column under Soporte. This shouldn't be there. There should only be one level.
> The non-English Forums (except for Japan) will be collapsed into one overall forum in the new system. All of the old content should be there, though.
Do you mean -for example- that we will get just one "espanol" forum, with messages from all ex-Adobe and all ex-MM applications all mixed up and sorted just by date? No subforums of any kind? I hope not,
that would be a real mess!
> ¡Buenas noches, foros en castellano! (Good night, Spanish forums!)
And bon nuit, forums en français, etc.
John, I didn't think in the possibility mentioned by Jacob. Now that I have read it, I sincerely hope that you were agreeing with me in that such a mixture would be such a mess as to make the forums absolutely unusable. Please confirm, if you can, that the localized forums will have subforums of some kind.
Otherwise, I think it would be a complete waste to spend any more money and effort in maintaining forums that will serve no useful purpose at all.
I don't know how it will shake out in the end, but with the nature of the software being able to create nested subforums, I would guess that it would be reasonable to keep one general forum for each language under the languages umbrella, and add product forums within that as the need for each become apparent.
I haven't been in on discussions, but I have to imagine that there is agreement "up there" that the amount of traffic doesn't really warrant a full set of product forums. In the meantime, it would be fairly easy to ask people to add the product name to the subject line. Assuming there will be someone hosting in the Spanish forum, they could add that to sublines until people start catching on and doing it themselves.
In the meantime, I understand and appreciate that it's an important topic to you guys, but it necessarily has to be fairly far down John's priority list... so I'm mostly just offering a reasonable suggestion in how it can work out, even if it starts out as just one big room.
In the Apple Mac Forms They have a setting to allow you to type the Machine your using and the system OS you are using. once filled out, when you post a message then its automatically added to end of your post. I believe you said Apple forums use a version of Jive software.
Pj, that wouldn't help too much in guessing with which program is each question associated... And although I haven't been to those forums, in any case I gather from your post that it's not compulsory to fill in that information.
Well, right now the message quoted above has disappeared from my profile in the top participants list. However, the above link still takes me to that message, but there are no traces of the forum in which I posted it. I assume that in a couple of minutes even the link will cease to work. :-(
Ramón, you seem to be misunderstanding me. As you may not be the only one, please let me try to be more clear.
What I am complaining about is that the "España" part of the international forums has been changing for the worse. The last change transformed what there was to a one year old copy of the ex-MM forums, elimintating the ex-Adobe part, which naturally eliminated from the forum structure the threads that had been opened since this trial started.
Curiously, the threads themselves have not disappeared completely. Contrary with what I thought last night, the link in my message #13 above is still working. Problem is, I have not found any easy way to get to that thread...
I know that everything posted in the trial version will eventually disappear. I won't miss any of my messages, as I have been only testing how things work. However, I would expect things to be more or less consistent. And things to change foir the better, not for the worse.
And in any case, the idea of all ex-Adobe and all ex-MM forums mixed together in one single bag makes me shudder. Do you think messages will at least be ordered chronologically?
Things seem to be more complicated than I thought. All observations reported in my recent posts, including changes in the España forum, have been made in a Mac, where I remain logged all the time. Well, I have just moved to a Win-Vista machine I use occasionally, and in which I have to login every time, and the situation is quite different here. And yes, I have just checked and nothing has changed in what I see in my Mac since my previous message.
First thing, the España forum here (Win)is now a fusion of the ex-Adobe and ex-Macromedia forums, with no subforums, and includes the new threads I miss in my Mac. The Last Post column is visible, and there are several more options in the Actions box.
However, both views (Mac and Win) share something in common: I find no way to add a new message in "my" thread, although they have no indication of having made read only. Ah, and threads
are in chronological order :-)