Problem with IE8

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The first page loaded in a new session of IE8 results in a message at the bottom of the browser screen that says "error on page". The "Next" function is inoperative until the IE8 window is refreshed with F5. This is not a problem with FireFox.

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The first page loaded in a new session of IE8 results in a message at the bottom of the browser screen that says "error on page". The "Next" function is inoperative until the IE8 window is refreshed with F5. This is not a problem with FireFox.

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i get something like that whenever i first load a page from the forums after a browser restart, clicking on any of the links from the userbar(New, Your Stuff, etc) does nothing untill i refresh the page, after which it works just fine. Another thing that happens after a browser restart is that the links on my forum homepage all show up as new even though i visited them before i closed the browser but this also gets fixed when i refresh the page

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I am experiencing similar problems with IE 7/Vista.

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Also, many times the "Error" message is accompanied by effects such as this:

Zeno2.jpg

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I am getting several other problems with IE, and I am under the impression that the situation seems to be getting worse instead of better. But I am also under the impression that reporting such things is a waste of time...

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Claudio,

I agree. No one who can fix these things seem to be listening.

Just as no meaningful user input was solicited before the change to Jive was decided, they really don't want to hear any complaints.

They have crippled the forums for a reason I do not understand.

Many of these problems were the same problems we were having in the aborted attempt to "improve" the forums almost 3 years ago. They have learned nothing from that debacle.

I would like to know which moron in upper management is responsible for this.

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Two suggestions... since we all know that the forums are painfully slow to work in, John and company would be much more inclined to pay more attention to this forum if the vast majority of the posts contained information of immediate relevancy to them. I am more than willing to bet that 3/4ths of the posts in this forum are either chit-chat, rehashing the same ol' stuff we already know, or general complaints, often including insulting language directed at the very people you are looking for answers from. So... if unnecessary conversation was eliminated, and if forum personnel were treated more respectfully, in all likelihood, you would get more interaction from the folks you'd like to hear from more often.

I was away at a conference all weekend, and very slowly catching up. It'll still take awhile to get up to the top of the stack, and, really, I'm going to mostly skim over what looks like the same ol' same ol' from the same people who have said it all before. In the process, I may well miss something important... but that's the risk I have to take to get through it all. And John has a lot less time to devote here then I have.

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:

-------------------snip-------------------

I was away at a conference all weekend, and very slowly catching up. It'll still take awhile to get up to the top of the stack, and, really, I'm going to mostly skim over what looks like the same ol' same ol' from the same people who have said it all before. In the process, I may well miss something important... but that's the risk I have to take to get through it all. And John has a lot less time to devote here then I have.

While your doing the skiming, you should counting each response, from different people on the the same complaints to rate importance of Fixing a Problem. For example if you have 5000 different replies from different users about say the email notification problem. And then, you have 500 different complaints (from differrent users) about Breadcrumbs. The fixing the email notification problem should take top priority.

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:

Two suggestions... since we all know that the forums are painfully slow to work in, John and company would be much more inclined to pay more attention to this forum if the vast majority of the posts contained information of immediate relevancy to them. I am more than willing to bet that 3/4ths of the posts in this forum are either chit-chat, rehashing the same ol' stuff we already know, or general complaints, often including insulting language directed at the very people you are looking for answers from. So... if unnecessary conversation was eliminated, and if forum personnel were treated more respectfully, in all likelihood, you would get more interaction from the folks you'd like to hear from more often.

Hey, we've got to have a bit of fun since the forums are such a disaster!


And just remember, you got loads of constructive comments through the trial and after the roll out of this lot. Since nothing noticeable happened in the meantime, and since we got virtually no feedback, it's not surprising that a bit of ragging and cussing goes on.

Respect has to be earned you know.


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! 

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you would get more interaction from the folks you'd like to hear from more often.

I consider JC to be the forum expert and most likely to have answers. Are you telling me he's sulking? I don't believe you. Who is getting all this personal disrespect?

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The more people ask, the more apparent the need/desire.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1871589#1871589

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:

Two suggestions... since we all know that the forums are painfully slow to work in, John and company would be much more inclined to pay more attention to this forum if the vast majority of the posts contained information of immediate relevancy to them. I am more than willing to bet that 3/4ths of the posts in this forum are either chit-chat, rehashing the same ol' stuff we already know, or general complaints, often including insulting language directed at the very people you are looking for answers from. So... if unnecessary conversation was eliminated, and if forum personnel were treated more respectfully, in all likelihood, you would get more interaction from the folks you'd like to hear from more often.

I was away at a conference all weekend, and very slowly catching up. It'll still take awhile to get up to the top of the stack, and, really, I'm going to mostly skim over what looks like the same ol' same ol' from the same people who have said it all before. In the process, I may well miss something important... but that's the risk I have to take to get through it all. And John has a lot less time to devote here then I have.

Dorothy, in my opinion, you chose the wrong thread to post this message. It's not here (or at least it wasn't here before your message) where you find that 3/4ths of the posts and the posters. May I suggest that you repost it in some other thread where it is more likely to be read by the people to whom you addressed it?

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We have noticed some similar issues in internal testing with IE8 and have reported them to Jive.

Thanks!

John

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Are Jive responsive to your reports?

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Thanks, John. And what follows is just a test, because I noticed that suddenly Verdana 10 pt came out funny in my previous message. I have just opened this thread in Mac/Firefox (I wrote it in Vista/Explorer) and it also looks funny. Posting from my Mac now.

Back in Vista/Explorer; the text I wrote in my Mac looks all right here, and I am adding some more text to see if I get the problem again. Trying to make the text long because the line spacing in my previous message was aldo wrong. And I was forgetting: Explorer is not taking me back to my just posted message.

No, everything looks OK now, must have been a temporary glitch.

Message was edited by: Claudio González. Reason: additions (several).

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In general, yes they are. But resolution depends on a lot of things and can take longer than preferred.

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In general, yes they are.

Well, that's encouraging.

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Jive's not going to be responsive unless there's a threat of them not getting money down the road, but that's probably not the case. Adobe has probably already shoveled out a large sum and now they're committed to maintaining the crapware to avoid losing their initial investment. So it'll be awhile until basic problems like INCOMPATIBILITY WITH IE which should have been caught in basic testing (Jive isn't doing much of this) are resolved. And if the initial investment was minor, it's time to jump ship and find some real software.

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:

I am more than willing to bet that 3/4ths of the posts in this forum are either chit-chat, rehashing the same ol' stuff we already know, or general complaints, often including insulting language directed at the very people you are looking for answers from. So... if unnecessary conversation was eliminated, and if forum personnel were treated more respectfully, in all likelihood, you would get more interaction from the folks you'd like to hear from more often.

Nobody is treating John C and Kanguyen with disrespect. In fact, they have been applauded. However, i can't say the say about others from Adobe... If, i'm not mistaken, someone definitely asked you to keep quiet at one stage.

In any event, your post has no relevance in this thread. Symptomatic i'd say... no?

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:

I was away at a conference all weekend, and very slowly catching up. It'll still take awhile to get up to the top of the stack, and, really, I'm going to mostly skim over what looks like the same ol' same ol' from the same people who have said it all before. In the process, I may well miss something important... but that's the risk I have to take to get through it all. And John has a lot less time to devote here then I have.

Real shame the conference is over...

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No need for this Jay - I think - we seem to have kanguyen instead as a #2 to JC in here. Personalities aside, that's a big improvement, because we have someone with the power to report problems and discuss them directly with Jive, willing and able to pursue troubleshooting issues and with some information to impart about problems that are being worked on. I'm sure if Dorothy would abandon her inappropriate badge, lose the attitude and participate as a normal user, without the lectures, her contributions wouldn't cause any trouble - after all we get plenty of posts already that don't actually add anything, and a number of hers brought up valid issues.

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Wow, look at the number of views for this thread! I suspect people are being drawn here by either a forced forum-wide search or the benighted 'More like this' box - only to be disappointed,

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Kath-H wrote:

No need for this Jay - I think -

No need for what Kath? Bit confused??

we seem to have kanguyen instead as a #2 to JC in here.

Already applauded Kanguyen and JC here and in a separate thread....

I'm sure if Dorothy would abandon her inappropriate badge, lose the attitude and participate as a normal user, without the lectures, her contributions wouldn't cause any trouble - after all we get plenty of posts already that don't actually add anything, and a number of hers brought up valid issues.

That's the point... at the moment she's adding to the noise without being constructive, helpful or understanding. Three qualities that JC and Kanguyen have displayed in abundance.

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Just pointing out that Dorothy hasn't been seen around here for a while, as far as I've noticed. I think the message has already been received, that's all.

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JayJhabrix wrote

I'm sure if Dorothy would abandon her inappropriate badge, lose the attitude and participate as a normal user, without the lectures, her contributions wouldn't cause any trouble - after all we get plenty of posts already that don't actually add anything, and a number of hers brought up valid issues.

That's the point... at the moment she's adding to the noise without being constructive, helpful or understanding. Three qualities that JC and Kanguyen have displayed in abundance.

JayJhabrix, you were referencing an old post by Dorothy from last month, I believe?

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Kath-H wrote:

Just pointing out that Dorothy hasn't been seen around here for a while, as far as I've noticed. I think the message has already been received, that's all.

True.  I believe JJ was referring to a post from last month.  That was the post that got me thinking and eventually led me to post the Gabdhi quote.

• A customer is the most important visitor on our premises, he is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him.


• He is not an interruption in our work. He is the purpose of it.


• He is not an outsider in our business. He is part of it.


• We are not doing him a favor by serving him.     He is doing us a favor by giving us an opportunity to do so.

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:QU-_-MGLrrqQhM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Gandhi_costume.jpg

Employees of any entity, whether in government or in private business, will do well to keep it in mind and at heart.

The recent post by Kathy Nguyen, universally well received here, shows that she knows this principle and puts it into practice.

However, a few Adobe staff and associates seem somehow to think that Adobe's customers are lowly adversaries in some sort of Internet game or in a newsgroup.  Those who manifest that misguided and poisonous attitude in this forum and in their blogs are showing their incompetence and their ignorance of basic business principles.  To them I say:  you're dead wrong!  You are far from being our superiors, you are our servants.

They should know well who they are—and we certainly do.

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Kath-H wrote:

Just pointing out that Dorothy hasn't been seen around here for a while, as far as I've noticed. I think the message has already been received, that's all.

Unfortunately Kath, i don't think that was / is the reason. She talks about being away at a conference and then condescendingly goes on to say she's just going to skim over, etc., etc., in short, the mail reeks of attitude and self-importance.

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Yes, but that was ages ago - I'm just saying that there has been radio silence now for quite some time. I don't think the point needs to be laboured since the problem seems to have gone away.

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Kath-H wrote:

Yes, but that was ages ago - I'm just saying that there has been radio silence now for quite some time. I don't think the point needs to be laboured since the problem seems to have gone away.

Mea Culpa.... i didn't see the date... Just the message and it triggered me off. Apologies....

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Jive is continuing to work through a resolution for this as of May 6. They've made some progress, but the fix requires a great deal more testing to ensure it's stable. The Jive related product enhancement/bug ID is CS-12987.

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Since I have the same problem with IE7 on WinXp, I'd say this problem has been around awhile

Oh well... slow and stumbling at times, the forums do work for questions to be answered

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Kanguyen, I don't know if new info is of any use once you have reported the case, but here it goes anyway.


Some IE effects seem to be getting worse. Take this one, for example:

Anomaly.jpg

At first, both Original Post buttons went back to their proper places by themselves after the time it took me to read the last message if this was more than a few lines. Now I have seen them remain in their wrong positions after much longer times; for example, when going back several messages in the same page and reading them all. And the effect is not constant. Some times the buttons go inside the last post, while others they may appear several messages upwards. And some times they relocate themselves in a couple of seconds...

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I'll make sure this one is logged as well, Claudio. I too have seen this one intermittently.

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Thanks. I seem to see it always, only that many times it disappears in a couple of seconds.

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kanguyen wrote:

I'll make sure this one is logged as well, Claudio. I too have seen this one intermittently.

Hello, Kanguyen, here you have two more glitches affecting Explorer:


1. In the "Small niggles" thread I made a suggestion regarding the page numbers bar on top of the lists of topics, as reported here:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1970495#1970495

However, I have just noticed that I am still seeing the "new" page numbers bar in Mac/Firefox, but I'm not getting it under Vista/Explorer 7. To be frank, I couldn't for the life of me say for sure if this is new, or if I ever saw the new bar in Explorer; but it is quite evident that it is not there now.


2. This is an old issue that I hadn't felt like reporting. When posting messages, and as a deference to other users, I normally change the difficult to read Arial by the much more readable on screen Verdana. For this, I select my text, and go to the Type pulldown menu, where I scroll down until I see Verdana, and choose it. No problem at all in my Mac, but difficult in Explorer, at least for the first (few?) message(s?). What happens there is that, when trying to scroll down the list, the highlighted text is deselected. This happens however I try to scroll down, with the arrows or the bar. My workaround is to choose Verdana anyway and then reselect the text, If I do this, when I go to the pulldown menu, it is still scrolled down, and I can choose Verdana without getting anywhere near the scroll bar.

Addition (2 and a half hours later): I am now seeing the new bar in Explorer also (point 1).

Message was edited by: Claudio González. Reason: Addition.

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Here is a new one. If I use my bookmarks to come into any of these forums after a period of inactivity, I have no problem. However, once here, if I try to open any thread, or to login if I had been logged out, Explorer just freezes and I have to use Ctrl-Alt-Supr to get out. This has nothing to do with whether I have or have nor been logged out. If I was still logged on entering a forum, I am logged when I come back after relaunching Explorer.

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kanguyen wrote:

Jive is continuing to work through a resolution for this as of May 6. They've made some progress, but the fix requires a great deal more testing to ensure it's stable. The Jive related product enhancement/bug ID is CS-12987.

Yeah, because it's not a fix, but a hack and guesswork. And testing? hehe.. Come on now, WE are Jive's testers, let's be honest here.

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The original post was posted 2 months ago and it is not fixed. Hard to believe.

Steve

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Hard to believe.

not really...

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i think its difficult to using IE8 rightnow,

so untill now i change my browser to firefox

regards

htp://yosaadi.blogspot.com

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