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I too am on a Mac. A PowerBook 1.67GB 17" and I find all the forums much slower on this new system.

Part of the problem is merging the two server systems together The Old Macromedia users and the old adobe Groups together. Therefore the are serving twice as many people or more on the same amount of Server  equipment. Until they beef up the speed, and size of the servers and have sattelite equipment to lighten the load the system will always be slower than before.

The system should be on the highest speed sytem they can get . T5, FOIS, whatever.  And it should have the bigest hard drives and fastest processor availble. If the want to be serious.

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I too am on a Mac. A PowerBook 1.67GB 17" and I find all the forums much slower on this new system.

Part of the problem is merging the two server systems together The Old Macromedia users and the old adobe Groups together. Therefore the are serving twice as many people or more on the same amount of Server  equipment. Until they beef up the speed, and size of the servers and have sattelite equipment to lighten the load the system will always be slower than before.

The system should be on the highest speed sytem they can get . T5, FOIS, whatever.  And it should have the bigest hard drives and fastest processor availble. If the want to be serious.

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PjonesCET wrote:


Therefore the are serving twice as many people or more on the same amount of Server  equipment.

And you know that how?

You got an in somewhere that tells you these golden nuggets of wisdom?

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Was the specific reason for combining the Forums so that they didn't have to run two different systems.

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That wasn't my question.

I mean, how do you know that they are serving twice as many people or more on the same amount of Server  equipment? How do you know that they aren't using more server equipment?

You work for them now?

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I think Philip should have a Community Expert badge.

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He'd be my number one choice. 

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To the best of my knowledge (which may well be wrong with respect to the Jive forums): the WebX forums were hosted by WebX and the Jive forums are being hosted by Jive. I have no clue to the number of servers being used. The number of servers being used is irrelevant since the software is so completely different. WebX tried to keep track of every thread any user ever read that was still available. That must have been a tremendous load on the system.

These new forums are being fine tuned and tweaked as needed. As users we need to report the issues we see that are important to us. Hopefully, performance and capabilities can be adjusted to meet our needs. The emphasis is on the word hopefully.

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Seems logical. If you have two disparte systems one runing WebX for Adobe Forums.

Then the Cold Fusion system used for the Macromedia Forums.That equipment was taken in with the takeover of MacroMedia.

Odds are that the equipment for the coldfusion system needed updating.

So you had two different server systems .

Now with this new system gives Adobe an excuse to cut some over head So they either moved everything to the The servers used for WebX or for ColdFusion but not likely both.

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I try to stay out of these things, but where does this come from???

Web Crossing ran at Web Crossing on their servers.

FuseTalk ran at Adobe on our servers

Jive runs at Jive on brand new equipment, purchased within the last month or so.

There is no relationship between the three systems other than that data was exported from the old systems and imported into the new.

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PJ, in the 30 or seconds it takes to compose a note, please take another 30 to re-read it, then another 10 seconds to decide if it is worth posting at all.

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John Cornicello wrote:

I try to stay out of these things, but where does this come from???

LOL John. You'll get used to it. He's had some real whoppers over the time he's been here.

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Okay so I got the name of the sytem and servers wrong. But they fact is still shown by your post. That two different systems of Forums were combined on one systems Server Therefore the trafic will be larger on this one system. Than on the two separate sytems.

So my comment is still valid, though the names of the servers and systems are different.

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Welcome to the world of moving goalposts folks.

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Yep I agree.

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PjonesCET wrote:


So my comment is still valid completely uninformed guesswork, though the names of the servers and systems are different.

There. Fixed that for ya.

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Graf, better spend that time in loading your photo in your profile. The one in your avatar looks ways too small on my screen to get any idea of the face behind the dark glasses.

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I just haven't gotten that far yet. I figured I'd pop a little avatar on there for now.

Besides, no one wants to see my photo any bigger than that.

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Don't worry, I don't want to use it as wallpaper, but associating a name with a face is better that addressing just a name...

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~graffiti wrote:

I just haven't gotten that far yet. I figured I'd pop a little avatar on there for now.

Besides, no one wants to see my photo any bigger than that.

Looks kinda like Jack Nicholson from this distance.

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Claudio, are you going to upload your avatar into the production system?

John

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Not sure. Are you? In any case, my photo is in my profile while yours isn't...

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The dupplicate smiley in my previous message is a result of the lightning speed of the new forums. I chose it for a second time when nothing appeared on my screen several seconds after choosing the first. And I finally posted my message convinced that I couldn't attach a smiley to it due to another temporary glitch...

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That particular one can be typed with just two characters, : P with no space between them =

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Thanks for the tip, Mark; I didn't know this one. It will save me the uncertainty of knowing if I have inserted an emoticon or not. I have just tried inserting one, and waited for 20 seconds without anything happening on my screen, so I erased the complete phrase and I am repeating my test now here: 30 seconds and nothing. Now with another one, just in case: again 30 seconds and nothing.

Your way after this phrase, and I hope I will remember it 😛

And still nothing on my screen where I tried to insert the smilies...

Addition: as can be seen, the emoticons appeared when I posted my message; and 😛 didn't work. Anyone else experiencing this?

Second addition: afyter posting, I'm taken back to the first message in the thread, and not to my just posted message. A very unpleasant step backwards.

Message was edited by: Claudio González. Reason: two after post additions.

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<img src="http://www.milbut.org/smilies/roflol.gif">  <img src="http://www.milbut.org/smilies/roflol.gif">

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o.O

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I just realized I have hardly any photos of myself not wearing sunglasses. I guess that's a good sign?

Alright it's there and I look nothing like Jack Nicholson. Not that there's anyhting wrong with that.

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~graffiti wrote:

I just realized I have hardly any photos of myself not wearing sunglasses. I guess that's a good sign?

Alright it's there and I look nothing like Jack Nicholson. Not that there's anyhting wrong with that.

Yes you do. You look like his twin brother. Are you as off your rocker as he seems to be?

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Was my post (#30) REALLY abusive enough for someone to report me?

I mean, really?

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~graffiti wrote:

Was my post (#30) REALLY abusive enough for someone to report me?

I mean, really?

Your post was fine.  I would have given you points for it if I could.

Did you really get a warning, or just a notification?  It'd be good to know how it works.  I expect a lot of petty enemies are (going to be) reporting me. 

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If there was, I didn't see it, but I was offline most of the day. John may have done something with it, tho I don't think he would have bothered either. For now it's in test mode, so the mods are mostly observing and dealing with things the old fashioned way as is appropriate using the reports.

And, yes, Ramón, I think you know that you come off as extremely harsh often. I'm waiting to see what happens when posts quit being displayed as people click the report button. (And not you alone, btw.) After a certain number (I have no idea what it is tho) the software automatically removes posts from sight without host intervention. I'm willing to let the people vote.

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DorothyK@Adobe wrote:


I'm waiting to see what happens when posts quit being displayed as people click the report button. (And not you alone, btw.) After a certain number (I have no idea what it is tho) the software automatically removes posts from sight without host intervention.

If that's all that happens, it's pretty much an exercise in futility.  Who goes around checking his own posts?

I don't have to mention names but we all know cases of extreme, offensive abuse and even threats, much worse than all posts of mine combined, that cause a poster to be banned, and they just keep coming back with a succession of varying identities, one after the other.

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Ramon-don't take this TOO personal, but the vast majority of your 8,964 posts are negative. One can hardly read a thread that does not contain one of your rants. Knowing that the "moderators" are supposedly on vacation, you seem to have intensified your output. A nice six month banishment to you own private forum would serve the rest of us well.

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Photo_op8 wrote:

Ramon-don't take this TOO personal,

Not to worry, I'm just barely acknowledging this post of yours, which would carry some weight if it came from someone other than a non-entity hiding behind an anonymous pseudonym, or even if you specified what it is that I have directed at you personally that bugs you.  I do not recognize your user ID.

8,000 posts or so represent less than a third of the posts I had to my credit at the time of the attempted changeover a couple of years ago.  I'm confident I have posted in excess of 30,000 in the last seven years or so.  It's still very thoughtful of you to have read nearly 9,000 of my posts just so you could form an informed opinion. 

You are on very thin ice alleging I'm acting with knowledge of the falsely alleged absence of the hosts.  In the first place they've all been posting without interruption, in the second place if they were absent I would not know about it, and in the third place their absence or presence doesn't make one itty bitty bit of difference to me.  They have banned me in the past when they saw fit and, in any event, we have plenty of evidence that others who have been banned return with a new account within minutes.

For my part, I don't give a rat's tail if you do take this personally, but I have to tell you you're wasting your time.  It's your privilege, whoever you are.  

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I can only judge by what I see now in your message #30. If there was an offensive version that was censored or edited in any way, I missed it. And I see no "This message was edited by..." notice. So really, I don't know what all the fuss is, as I see nothing offensive in message #30.

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i think it was post #14 not 30...

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dave milbut wrote:

i think it was post #14 not 30...

Still, nothing objectionable there on graffiti's part either.

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Sorry. dave is right. I meant post 14.

I basicallly just got a note saying that the content was approved.

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I didn't see anything objectionable to #30 or even #14 even though In #14 you were directing a dig at me. I see a lot worse all the time. I have a tough hide.

I've seen far worse.

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PjonesCET wrote:

I see a lot worse all the time. I have a tough hide.

I've seen far worse.

Well that's good.

If I thought I was saying something that took more than that, I wouldn't say it.

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I agree. PJ has been told much worse things than what you say in message #14, and at least occasionally, he has asked for them. I do not consider your message any more offensive than many others.

However, it does worry me to think that, to top all the difficulties the new format has brought on us, we could be hgetting some sort of censorship on the contents of out messages. We already have full words replaced by ******, which is not only offensive to the mental age of the average user, but also completely childish. At the same level than awarding points or marking questions as answered.

PLEASE, we are grownups; without anyone telling us, we know who is who, and we can judge if a question has been answered or not. Just because a workaround works for a newcomer doesn't mean that we should endorse that workaround as the solution for the problem. PLEASE, some respect.

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I haven't been excessively abusive to anyone. Sometimes I have one upped people, that made comments about me usually adding a smiley of some type. It not my intent to disparage anyone.

No only that but now in some threaded because they are tired of of a given thread they are now locking the thread.  The thread in question relates to email notifications. Hwere two of use are trying to explain problems of threading Mozilla Products. I've just been complaing about the threading of the adobe forum notifications. Turns out we are both right. I intended to say this but the thread was locked.

If I have insulted anyone, my apologies for doing so it was unintended.

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I don't like the SILENT censorship. if there's a reason for censoring something, i'd like to know who's doing the censoring and why. for 2 reasons, 1) so i can see the line and know where not to go over, if it's gone over, and 2) to be sure someone's not abusing their privilege as host or someone's not trying to get back at me (or someone) because they don't like an opinion i (or someone) holds. the behind the scenes thing kinda scares me. it's very off putting.

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PjonesCET wrote:

No only that but now in some threaded because they are tired of of a given thread they are now locking the thread.  The thread in question relates to email notifications. Hwere two of use are trying to explain problems of threading Mozilla Products. I've just been complaing about the threading of the adobe forum notifications. Turns out we are both right. I intended to say this but the thread was locked.

Why, so it is. Well, we did stray quite a bit off topic (Sorry, kanguyen!).

If I have insulted anyone, my apologies for doing so it was unintended.

If you're talking to/about me, then certainly no offense was taken - or meant to be given, either. I think we just lost patience with each other.

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Mark A. Boyd wrote:

PjonesCET wrote:

No only that but now in some threaded because they are tired of of a given thread they are now locking the thread.  The thread in question relates to email notifications. Hwere two of use are trying to explain problems of threading Mozilla Products. I've just been complaing about the threading of the adobe forum notifications. Turns out we are both right. I intended to say this but the thread was locked.

Why, so it is. Well, we did stray quite a bit off topic (Sorry, kanguyen!).

If I have insulted anyone, my apologies for doing so it was unintended.

If you're talking to/about me, then certainly no offense was taken - or meant to be given, either. I think we just lost patience with each other.

What I intended to do was post this comment then not post anymore about what we we fussing about. :

"what are we fussing about then! I know SM and TB can thread regualr emails and NNTP messages fine using any sorting method. I am fussing about the Adobe/Jive Email Notifications. You agreed with my point about I know Adobe/Jive notification don't thread normally."

I am just asking why can't they hide the Serial numbers in the Brackets before sent so email news Readers would work correctly.

And I apologize not only to you but other as well. I have inherited a Trait from my Dad now deceased. People couldn't tell when joking or serious some times . I have the same problem.

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>No only that but now in some threaded because they are tired of of a given thread they are now locking the thread.  The thread in question relates to email notifications. Hwere two of use are trying to explain problems of threading Mozilla Products. I've just been complaing about the threading of the adobe forum notifications. Turns out we are both right. I intended to say this but the thread was locked.

What? I mean, really. WHAT??? Do yourself a favor, P, and at least TRY to get a grip on the English language, before you go off espousing how you've "one-upped" people with your "superior intellect."

The above string of words (and non-words) that I quoted is pathetic. No offense intended, of course...

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i've clicked that a couple times (not in this case) where i meant to hit reply, but backed out before actually submitting it...

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Oh yeah, I've done that too but, this baby was filled out and submitted. Got an email about it.

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