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Not sure is I am in the right forum for this

As a long time Adobe user CC scares me...

I live in a country without decent internet....

Adobe has already demonstrated in Australia that pricing can go up and down as it sees fit ...always to the detriment of customers

A lot of the world is still in an economical downturn ...$600 per year is not a saving...it is a considerable increase for many

$600 per year will quickly move to $1000.... (I have just noticed in my country I can only get the team version???)

Once adobe determines which programs are popular an additional cost tier will be introduced to pay for that product

once you move over to a subscription based service you are addicted... if you give up subscription you can no longer edit projects ....if you own a version ...you can always go back to a project without activation issues...

As for not providing updates and bug fixes that is just unconscionable

Adobes thinking here is that of a monopoly.... it will start forcing the independent free lancer to look elsewhere ... it will encourage pirating..... and in places where internet is not assured guarantee creative discrimination.. for non profits and groups fighting political oppression a subscription based services could really limit there freedom of speech.... if you cant connect to the internet ..how can you produce content?


Adobe please think hard about this

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Not sure is I am in the right forum for this

As a long time Adobe user CC scares me...

I live in a country without decent internet....

Adobe has already demonstrated in Australia that pricing can go up and down as it sees fit ...always to the detriment of customers

A lot of the world is still in an economical downturn ...$600 per year is not a saving...it is a considerable increase for many

$600 per year will quickly move to $1000.... (I have just noticed in my country I can only get the team version???)

Once adobe determines which programs are popular an additional cost tier will be introduced to pay for that product

once you move over to a subscription based service you are addicted... if you give up subscription you can no longer edit projects ....if you own a version ...you can always go back to a project without activation issues...

As for not providing updates and bug fixes that is just unconscionable

Adobes thinking here is that of a monopoly.... it will start forcing the independent free lancer to look elsewhere ... it will encourage pirating..... and in places where internet is not assured guarantee creative discrimination.. for non profits and groups fighting political oppression a subscription based services could really limit there freedom of speech.... if you cant connect to the internet ..how can you produce content?


Adobe please think hard about this

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Although I am not afraid of the change - I do find it a major failure on Adobe's thinking.

I just read an article where you all talk about how your revenue for your stand alone products has dropped in relation to your subscription model for the past year over year quarters (meaning your subscription revenue is increasing).  This is a loaded statistic.  Seeing as how your subscription models in the long run costs more than outright purchasing a copy of the Creative Suite from one version to the next.

Additionally I do not want to EVER store my project files or master files on 3rd party hosted servers. Where because of some lame Terms of Service - Adobe now owns the rights to a copy of anything I upload which can be used as Adobe's discretion and whims without due compensation to the file owners (and you give Adobe permission in the Terms by accepting the use of their "service product").

Adobe is getting to be more and more lazy.

If I have a large project that takes several weeks or months - I do not EVER change software versions during that timeframe.  As things like color rendering or functionality change from one version to the next.  This new approach (very similarto how Google handles its product - which I hate) just makes sweeping changes and screws the end User over without time to adapt or finish a current project.  This is a load of bulls*** at its finest.  Google has regularly pushed out features and updates to Gmail and Docs (among other services) that have broken OR radically changed and altered how things are done.  Mostly in negative directions that are worse for the end-User.

I will be moving away from Photoshop and Illustrator and Dreamweaver and Flash in the future.  Adobe will no longer get my money OR that of Employers when I am asked to purchase software.  I used to advocate until recently the use of Flash for so many more things that t5he general public gripes about - banner ads - pop ups - video - and gaming - and that Flash has so many more uses - education and learning - tutorials - control level interfaces - application development.  I will no longer speak favorably about Flash.  I will migrate fully over to newer open technologies - more than likely uninstall any Flash plugins or products.  And again - migrate away form Adobe as much as and as soons as possible.

I will look into using alternatives to both Dreamweaver and Photoshop - which I have not for the longest time due to their superiority as products compared to anyt rival software products available.  But I can definitely get by without those 2 products if I have to.  As I said any future money spent will NOT be given to Adobe's online failure of products.

As for being Graphic Designer with a need for InDesign use - I hate Quark enough to NOT jump to using it - however - I may simply migrate away from publishing period - thank you for that Adobe.

Video editing - as horrible as the new version of Final Cut Pro is - as Apple seems to cater to watered down general purpose Users lately instead of professionals that need functional tools - I will probably migrate back to using it - just to NOT subscribe to your future web-based offerings.

Full Production that you all cater to - IS NOT VIABLE from a Web Browser interface.  I should not have to push my content through Adobe's servers in order develop a project for a client. This touches on my comments above - Adobe has no right to any of my content or that of my clients.   This is very unacceptable.

If you go this route - you've lost a 20+ year customer.  And hope that others follow suit and boycott the hell out of your company and products.  I hope your revenue drops like a rock - that people wise up and stop bending over for sweeping corporate decisions that make no sense - and that you either change your new found approach or simply go bankrupt beacuse some executives made decsions with their heads buried deep in someone's...in the sand.

So thank you very much for making the bulk of the software for the Industry I've worked in for the past 20 years a Monopoly and then in one sweep shutting the whole thing down and charging us significantly more for an inferior product.

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Jp Cooper wrote:

Additionally I do not want to EVER store my project files or master files on 3rd party hosted servers. Where because of some lame Terms of Service - Adobe now owns the rights to a copy of anything I upload which can be used as Adobe's discretion and whims without due compensation to the file owners (and you give Adobe permission in the Terms by accepting the use of their "service product").

This is true.  One reason, in addition to the goshawful change of forum software from WebX to JIVE that Adobe's Photography forum has died on the vine.

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From now on, I'm referring to the new policy as the CON Policy (Cloud or Nothing).

Avoid the CON.

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it seems that I have more to worry about than I initially thought....wow .... I am really scared

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I wonder if this is why Adobe's Chief Technology Officer, Kevin Lynch has recently bolted from Adobe and gone on to Apple. Does he see Adobe as a sinkng ship, or an outfit that will be hit with class-action lawsuits, total collapse....?   Did Bain Capital(Mitt Romney's old company) put this together?  I guess we will all find out soon enough.

Good to know there are other viable alternatives, if you just use your head, not lose it like Adobe.

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I don't know who's idea this was at Adobe, but it seems to me they just handed Corel and Xara a golden opportunity to recapture a slice of the market.  Did they even send out a survey to customers before they did this asking how we might feel about it?  Because I know I never got that email.

Look, I'm a freelance artist and 3D modeller.  I'm not a big business, I don't have a big software budget.  Truth is I usuallyonly update my software every other version that comes out.  That means I might have skipped CS6 and waited for CS7.    I just finished upgrading my 3D modelling software which cost me several thousand dollars, that pretty much blew my budget for now.  This cloud thing means small businesses like me have to deal with a recurring monthly expense, whatever Adobe decides to charge.  Sure, its $49.95 now... but what happens when they decide they want more capital for something, new product or maybe they just want to give everyone a fat raise... my fees go up an there's nothing I can do, I either pay or I'm out of business.  What about all these increasing hacker attacks.  Honestly, sometimes I just unplug the internet.  Funny thing about that, I unplug that modem and suddenly I'm invulernable to all the hackers out there.  I can work without being disturbed (and beleive me, when your work depends on your creativity, not being disturbed is a blessing).  Why should I make my ability to work even more dependent on the internet, what's the advantage to me?  None, but it does put me more at risk.   Adobe needs to realize that "the cloud" may be great for somebody who buys mp3s they want to be able to play from their tablet, smart phone or PC where ever they may be... but when it comes to someone like me doing 3D renders or textures for 3D models or illustrations for a small press project this "cloud" stuff is useless.  Get it... USELESS.  It doesn't increase my productivity, it doesn't help me work, it doesn't offer me anything.   My productivity matters to me, because I get paid on commission, I'm not drawing a paycheck that I get whether I'm actually working or playing Farmville... my pay depends on what I actually produce.   Anything that threatens that or puts that at risk in any way is a big concern for me.  On the other hand, buying software that I then OWN gives me, among other things, peace of mind.  I own it, regardless of whether the internet is up, down or in flaming ruins because of hackers... software I own on my computer will continue to run just fine.  It will continue to work whether I can afford the latest upgrades or version.   Not so with this cloud stuff.

Bottom line for me as a freelance artist, I don't see any advantage to me with this cloud thing, all the advantages go to Adobe.  They did this purely because it benefits them and are basically telling us, the customers, "deal with it or deal with it, we don't care."   Fine, I'll take my business elsewhere.  Other graphics programs out there may not be as powerful (yet) or offer all the same features (yet), but my copy of CS5 still works just fine, charges no fees and I'll be happy to support Corel, Xara, (hell even GIMP) if it means in the future I'll still be able to buy software I actually OWN once I pay for it.

Rent to own is for suckers, it was true at those rent to own furniture stores and its just as true with software (and that is exactly what this cloud stuff really is, rent to own software; you don't actually own anything).

I suspect I'm not going to be alone in looking for alternatives to Adobe products from now on.  If that means Adobe suddenly finds itself losing business... well.... deal with it, and thanks for not caring Adobe.

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JP, I understand your concerns, but some of your impressions might be off.

Nothing forces you to upload your images to the cloud. You select which ones go there, in order to share them with customers with added functions like showing select layers.

Also, you select whether or not, or rather when updates are applied to the software. I may suggest perusing the creative cloud FAQ: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

Or if you want a third party view on some of the myths about creative cloud: 

http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-creative-cloud-myths.html

Hope this helps dispel part of your worries.

Could I see the part of the TOS that made it sound like "all your pixels are belong to Adobe", 

so that I can look at the legalese?

Thanks!

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PECourtejoie wrote:


Could I see the part of the TOS that made it sound like "all your pixels are belong to Adobe",

so that I can look at the legalese?

Thanks!

Hello Pierre!  It's been a long time.  I hope you and yours are well.

Adobe's Agreement Terms are here:  (The ability to opt out used to not be in the agreement.  All the same, post a photo in any of Adobe's forums and it belongs to them.)

http://www.adobe.com/misc/terms.html

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9.5 Licenses to Your Material. Adobe requires certain licenses from you with respect to Your Shared Material in order to operate and enable the Services. Accordingly, you grant the licenses to Your Shared Material as follows:

(a) For Your Shared Material that’s Shared in a public forum (such as discussion boards or public galleries that may be browsed by anyone with an internet connection, etc.), you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to adapt, display, distribute, modify, perform, publish, reproduce, translate, and use Your Shared Material for the purpose of operating and improving the Services and enabling your use of the Services. You may revoke the license and terminate Adobe’s rights at any time by making it no longer Shared.

(b) For Your Shared Material that’s Shared in a public forum or shared privately with other Users of your choosing, you grant other Users a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferrable, and sublicensable license to display, distribute, perform, and reproduce Your Material, subject to Section 10 of these Terms. If you join or participate in a group that allows for sharing of Your Material within the group (such as a “group album” or shared workspace), then you also grant the Users within the group a license to adapt and modify Your Material that you have decided to share with such group. If you do not want to grant other Users these rights, then don’t Share Your Material with other Users.

(c) For Your Material that is shared privately with other Users of your choosing, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferrable, and sublicensable, license to distribute, modify, publish, reproduce, translate, and use Your Material for the purpose of operating and improving the Services and enabling your use of the Services."

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Paz, Jp, this extract from the Eula is what grands Adobe the right to host the file for you. At no point you do transfer ownership of the files. How would that be in Adobe's interest to do that?

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What extract?

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Both what JP referred to, and what Paz quoted for the forums. You'll read stuff similar on dropbox terms of service.

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PECourtejoie wrote:

Paz, Jp, this extract from the Eula is what grands Adobe the right to host the file for you. At no point you do transfer ownership of the files. How would that be in Adobe's interest to do that?

Pierre,

Take a look at the very beginning of the 'agreement' via the link I listed.  Notice there is a date and it says that this new agreement takes precedence over the old agreement.  Back when I first noticed the language granting Adobe rights to users' creative material I do not remember there being any option to opt out.  The agreement back then went so far as to grant Adobe rights to use and/or edit other's creative material with technology that didn't/doesn't even exist  - yet.  It seemed pretty permanent ownership for Adobe.

I've run a couple of forums myself.  Never did I make membership conditional upon myself becoming owner of anyone's creative content.  I've never noticed such language on any other photography forum I've ever agreed to join, either.

Back then I had just posted what may be the best photograph I've ever taken or ever will take.  And then I came across language saying it belonged to Adobe because I had posted it on their forum...

(So I deleted all the images on my own website server that had been posted on Adobe's sites.  I'm finally relieved to see language that indicates that now that action would be enough to retain my own ownership of my own creation.)

That, combined with the banishment (for life, apparently) of so many prior forum regulars who complained too vociferously about Adobe's transfer to JIVE forum format was my reason for pretty much abandoning Adobe's forums.  As I mentioned earlier, when word got out about Adobe claiming ownership, Adobe's photography forum pretty much dried up.  Of course, JIVE may have had as much to do with it as anything.

Why would Adobe want to own others' creative content?  Adobe was, at that time, beginning to set up a photo image sales service along the lines of Getty Images, I-Stock, ShutterStock.

I've known photographers who have been shocked to learn that images they have submitted in photography contests suddenly belong to the companies holding the contest.  Sure, there's one winner, but everyones' images now belong to that company.  The same holds true when submitting works of art in painting competitions. 

Adobe creates wonderful products.  But their corporate actions often smell.

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Paz, at one point, indeed, Adobe offered stock photography houses some visibility in Bridge, but I don't recall Adobe ever owning such a business. It would have been foolish for them to claim ownership on the files...

IANAL, so I asked and received the confirmation by Adobe Legal that the terms about the files for creative cloud are there only to allow Adobe to host your files, and give, if needed, a worldwide access to them.

I remember at one point that there was a place online that did check EULAs for abusive terms, but don't recall where it was, it might have been useful to have a third party review.

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Just want to correct a common misconecption about CC, demonstrated in this quote:

Full Production that you all cater to - IS NOT VIABLE from a Web Browser interface.  I should not have to push my content through Adobe's servers in order develop a project for a client. This touches on my comments above - Adobe has no right to any of my content or that of my clients.   This is very unacceptable.

This is NOT how it's going to work. The CC apps will be installed LOCALLY and you won't have to upload your files anywhere. All you will have to do is "activate" them online once every 30 days (like you do now when you first install them).

Now, whether or not that's acceptable or the price changes are reasonable is another question...

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What happens when Adobe Knocks on your Interenet door to phone home and your Internet connection is on the fritz. (which about 80% of the US has to put up with daily.

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You only need a couple of minutes of internet connection to activate.

Surely you will have that once every 30 days? You don't need a always-on

connection...

Also, if you have the yearly subscription it will work for 99 days even if

you're offline.

People should really read the information more carefully before freaking

out:

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#how-works

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The problem with what Adobe has done is not the "phone home" thing, its the hidden cost in the subscription and they way it puts their customers on the hook for endless costs.  Let's be clear folks, this isn't really about the "cloud".  This is about a fundamental shift from producing a product we bought, to a service we rent.  References to the cloud by Adobe are just marketing hype.

The bottom line is this, you are now forced to rent their software as though it were a service rather than buying a licensed copy as a product.  For some, the subscription might allow them to use Adobe products because they can afford the monthly subscription but balked at the higher cost of buying the software.  However, as I've said before, in the long run the subscription will end up costing the user MORE, not less.  For those of us using Adobe products professionally (and seriously, who else but professionals needs this kind of software), the cost was less of a problem.

I don't have a problem with them offering the subscription option, when it was just that... an option.  Had Adobe chosen to offer both, we wouldn't be here expressing concern, anger and outrage.  What I object to is that we can no longer buy a copy of the software as we have in the past.  That puts us pretty much at the mercy of whatever Adobe decides to charge for the "service".  It makes it harder for me to manage my costs as a freelance artist, a cost I cannot realistically pass on to my clients so I get stuck making less money while a company that reported $4.1 billion in earnings for 2012 gets richer.  This isn't about the cloud, it isn't about a revolution in software.  Its about corporate greed plain and simple.

Frankly I think Adobe execs need to get their heads out of the "cloud" and reconnect with reality.  I need a product, not a service.  I need one time costs I can manage, not an umbilical cord that raises my costs and without offering me any real benefit.  This move comes at a time when many of us are still recovering from bad economies in the US and Europe.  What I need right now is stability, not sudden change.  I want software I can count on, not software that stops working if I can't pay the subscription this month because the economy is bad again.  Two years ago I was in exactly that position, for awhile I couldn't even afford internet service because of the economy and loss of income.  I managed to work my way out of it because I did have software that worked regardless, so I was able to keep working and earning money when and where I could.  Eventually I got back on my feet and am doing better now, not great, but the bills are paid.   Meanwhile a bunch of overpaid execs are sitting at a conference bragging about how great this is for them and lying to the rest of us about how great it will be for us.  Its bull, this change won't benefit me at all and if things get tight again it would mean I'd have no software to use to earn a living... I'd be flat out of business.  That means I can no longer rely on Adobe, which means I won't be using their "services" at all in the future.  I need a PRODUCT that I can count on and unfortunately Adobe has chosen to no longer be a source for that.

What's more interesting is that it isn't actually a monthly subscription, its an annual contract that costs about 50% of what the software originally did to purchase outright.  Why does Adobe think such an annual contract is a good thing to move towards when you look at cellphone companys that are moving away from contracts because customers hate them.  Has it not occurred to Adobe that once people start really figuring out what they've done, that they'll now have to buy into an annual contract for rental software the outrage we're seeing right now might be just the tip of the iceberg of the reaction later on?  

Adobe exec's need to stop sitting around congratulating themselves about how they are now "part of the cloud" and how this is going to help people "share creativity".  I don't SHARE my creativity, I SELL it to make a living.  I'm not using Adobe products to make collages of family photos and upload them to Facebook or Photobucket (the later has free built in tools for that anyway).  I used professional software to do professional work in order to earn a living.  No I wasn't getting rich, but for many of us life isn't about getting rich its about doing what we enjoy and keeping the bills paid.  Maybe Adobe forgot that's who many of us actually are, I'd say most, of us who have bought their products and supported their company for years.

It was fun while it lasted Adobe, sorry you decided to forget the customer base on who's loyalty you built your company.  Good luck with your "cloud".  As for myself, I'll be taking my future software needs and budget elsewhere to a provider that actually gets that I need a product I can depend on, not a "rental service" dependant on subscriptions and cloud connections.  That may well mean turning to software that doesn't provide all the professional tools I've been used to having, which will make my job harder.  But I'd rather deal with that and know that once I buy the software it will continue to work when I need it regardless of the internet, the cloud, or my finances; than deal with a subscription umbilical cord that if cut would literally put me out of work with no way to recover. 

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Not that's a good argument against this change. Hopefully some Adobe execs will hear and heed this cautionary tale (of which I'm sure there are a lot). If not, they're going to feel it via their wallet in the next couple of years, I'm afraid.

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I have posted a youtube video entitled "adobe creative cloud - cloud or nothing - why you should be scared" please let me know if you see it and I urge people to pass it around

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Yes but what if you connection just happens to be down at the time it decides to phone home. My Cable connection is apt to do just that.  I am constantly have to chand IP set up so that it use Comcast, or Google, or OpenDNS  just to keep connection alive.

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Then try 5 minutes later... Really, I don't think that is a major issue.

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As it stands now CC already throws out warning every 5 minutes that it can not sync Files.

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Its not the phone home thing that will be such a problem for people accessing the software.  But this move also means the only way to get the software will be through downloading it.  That's where poor or unreliable internet service is going to really create a problem.  Can you imagine trying to download a 1 GB install file on a dial-up connection.  Or a cable or DSL connection that has problems with signal strength that introduces errors and corruption of the file?  It doesn't seem that Adobe considered that either.  Despite all the media hype about smart phones and 3G and 4G networks and hotspots, not everyone has that or even has access to it.  They need to spend less time in NYC, DC, Seattle and LA and try visiting the rest of America where in many places those things are luxuries.

My biggest concern with the phone home issue is that, a) my experience with other software that tried this wasn't good.  In one case the software was later revised to disable the feature because there were so many issues and complications for people who changed / upgraded their computers (something as simple as adding a HD sometimes caused the software to report a false positive and stop working, add some RAM, same problem, any change in your hardware configuration could result in you being flagged as a "pirate", much less if you simply bought a new computer.  Or the problems with trying to run it via an emulator for Linux or OS X).  And b) it still gives Adobe a way to turn off your software for whatever reason, even if you have bought a perpetual license (assuming they went back to selling it in box but kept the "phone home" check; again, it mis-identifies you as a "pirate" and your software stops working til you sort it out, how may days of work can you afford to lose?  Especially a small business that doesn't have an IT dept. to deal with it).  In the past I wouldn't have considered that later point as an issue, but suddenly I'm a lot less trusting where Adobe is concerned.

Those kinds of problems are a nuissance when its a game or some other non-work related, non-essential software.  But for many of us who used Adobe products professionally, these were part of the tools of our trade.  That takes those issues from a nuissance to an income threatening problem.  Think of it this way.  Would anyone think telling a photographer they can no longer buy their camera equipment, they can now only rent it?  Can you imagine telling a carpenter or mechanic they can no longer buy their tools, they must now rent them instead?  Of course not, sounds silly.  Its the same thing here, for many of us as digital artists, illustrators, image editors, etc. Photoshop and other software had become an important tool of our trade.

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Phillip Jones wrote:

What happens when Adobe Knocks on your Interenet door to phone home and your Internet connection is on the fritz. (which about 80% of the US has to put up with daily.

I'd like to know where you got that 80% figure. Mine is seriously more reliable.

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Sure it reliable in Big cities across the the US. But there are many parts of the US that still don't have internet access.

Have PPP over Dial-up (POTS). DSL over Copper (his only type DSL available in my Area. And Cable systems That haven't been kept up to date. For example at my house I still use wiring and Splitters put in in the early 80's.

In summer time I am having to reset the modem from The Cable Company up to 5 times a day. I have kin people all over VA and NC that have to put up with the same Junk. if you are graced to live in Cal Texas, Oregon, Washington Ill, New York or maybe the capital Cities of all the States, you can expect to have top notch service that is constantly updated. But that's only about 20% US about 80% of the US is Rural and Cable Companies, and Telco don't put the investment in Rural areas because rural area don't have the money. And making money rather than providing good service is what its all about.

Everything is about Greed.

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Perfectly put Jp. They are profiteering from a monopoly position. They have deliberately built-up that monopoly, and are now deliberately profiteering. In Europe that sort of thing is illegal you know.

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adobe doesn't like you adding links.... so go to change(dot)org and sign the petition .. if you haven't already.. and also pass around

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  I agree fully with almost everything you wrote.

Jp Cooper wrote:

Full Production that you all cater to - IS NOT VIABLE from a Web Browser interface.  I should not have to push my content through Adobe's servers in order develop a project for a client. This touches on my comments above - Adobe has no right to any of my content or that of my clients.   This is very unacceptable.

I'm pretty sure you don't have to save to the cloud. It's just an optional backup scenario. (tell me if i'm wrong on this one plz). As I understand it CC is basically the same as CS as far as functionality, but adds in some web storage + authenticates monthly + does away with us pesky low-profit 'upgraders' + Downloads newest version of whatever instant (but dont be surprised when development stagnates bc the execs don't see upgrading as profitable.)

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So thank you very much for making the bulk of the software for the Industry I've worked in for the past 20 years a Monopoly and then in one sweep shutting the whole thing down and charging us significantly more for an inferior product.


Yeah thats the real twist of the knife...  isn't it.

Back in '11, I could smell this coming when the new big buzzword was the 'the cloud' which really meant 'software as a service' + 'a little web storage'. Did anyone think back then that within 2 years Adobe would be forcing their entire offering into that kind of profit scam? It would have been hard to believe that a company that develops industry standard tools would jump 100% into a profit gimmick. Never underestimate the arrogance of a monopoly and the greed/ short sightedness of ambitious executives.

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How will changing the tool base affect what things look like in the future?

Back in '11...

Never underestimate the arrogance of a monopoly and the greed/ short sightedness of ambitious executives.

I saw this coming too but I hoped that it wouldn't. You're right, I think greed and arrogance are running this... In other words, the fat cats in the corner officess are making this decision. They don't actually care about the product or the vast army of creative people (often artists) that use their products.

I would say that the people making this choice are diametrically opposed to the type of people that actually use their products. Of course there isn't "one type" of Adobe user but I think we are united for similar reasons. For some, it's the money, for others, it's the comprehensive set of tools. Ultimately, it's probably what we create that joins us together the most.

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In the US about 80% of the country has poor Internet service . Varying from PPP over POTS. to DSL over Copper (DSL over POTS). Even Cable system haven't been updated since the 1980's espcially in Rural areas.  $600-1000 in Most of the US is not pocket change either.

I have loaded and am getting the unable to sync files about every 5 seconds  right now.

But you can't tell adobe nothing.

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I think we can tell Adobe "no," if we work at it.

Companies do admit "mistakes" when confronted with clear evidence that they have outraged their customers, and do roll back bad policies, however reluctantly.

Speak up about this, everyone.

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>Companies do admit "mistakes" when confronted

New Coca Cola -vs- Classic is one example of a product rollback

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They have already committed and can't back out. New feed on ZD-Net  just now: say the current creative suit is the last Adobe will ever offer for sell. I'll Fork over some money I have in saving to update because Photoshop CS6 works with my Camera and 5.5 don't. And DreamWeaver 6 has HTML5 support.

I simply can not afford to sign up for Yearly service. and also I am one of about of 80% of people in USA that has Poor Internet.

Although I am on the best Comcast Consumer connection. Yet its eratic at best. The system has been passed down to several different owners ans Comcast is the last, some parts of the system hasn't beeen updated since the 80's. Just now I the Creative Connection pplication is telling me it can't sync Files ever 5-10 seconds or so. And If it only works when The Internet is functioning how is it supposed to work.  At least with the MS model for office your allowed to download a copy and can work when there is no Connection.

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Adobe will never admit anything until they are on the verge of Bankrupcy. And at the rate they are going that will be sooner not later.

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I'm a graphic designer and 3D modeller.  I've used photoshop for years professionally and had hoped to finally get the CS6 Creative Suite.  Given this move, I will instead be migrating away from any Adobe products.  I have a few other "cloud" products already by other vendors and I have NOT had good experiences with them.  I need software that is on MY computer, available when I need to work regardless of internet connection (and I do not always have my system connected to the internet).  Wake up Adobe, many of us are professionals, not kids or tech geeks who think all the latest gadgets are cool.  I still buy print books because they work regardless of what happens with the internet, I need software that is MINE once I buy it.  You're "solution" would cost me more money, provide me with unreliable service, and require I have an internet connection just to work from my own computer.  Good luck with your new business model, you just lost a previously consistent customer unless you reverse this.  Wait too long and I'm gone for good regardless.

Oh, and I just have to wonder, since the US Senate just voted to apply the internet tax, is that going to be applied to that monthly subscription?  There's potentially another 6% to 10% on that $49.95 per month extra courtesy of Uncle Sam.

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This is ridiculous Adobe!

Creative Cloud is an interesting idea, and for some it may be a good option, but I think it's going to be a hard sell for a lot of customers… myself included. I work for a large global corporation and I can tell you that adding an ongoing monthly expense for multiple users around the world is going to be a huge hassle, not just for me, but also for accounts payable and the IT team who will have to support it. Why force people to go this route instead of having it just as an option? Clearly the only reason is you feel that people just aren't upgrading fast enough. But do you really give the users compelling reasons to upgrade?

Since I've been with my company, we've upgraded roughly every other release. Most upgrades we've done have just been to stay current with our printers and other design teams. The one exception is that we upgraded to CS5.5 to take advantage of the interactive folios in indesign. That really was a mistake, because what we got with 5.5 really felt like a beta of the tools. There were multiple updates which were required (at times stopping our work entirely) and at times the adobe cloud servers did not seem to be working and we were unable to upload or download folios. It really made the tools barely usable and certainly not reliable enough to rollout to our sales force as a sales tool. With CS6 they fixed most of the issues, but I have to feel the bugs were worked out at the expense of those who moved too quickly to upgrade to CS5.5.

This makes me extremely worried. In addition to being forced to rent the software, I do not want a piece of cloud software where updates are pushed to me regardless of how half-baked they may be. As one other poster mentioned, I would never upgrade software in the middle of a huge project and at times I've kept an older version installed along with the new version until I was sure everything would work properly.

I think now is the time for other companies to come in and fill the need for design professionals to actually "own" their software. Remember Adobe that before Indesign, Quark owned page layout, and I honestly think with such a brash move, if they play their cards rights, they could regain a lot of the market. For every piece of software you produce, there are competitors. And I can guarantee that people will start looking at them and deciding whether or not any of them will fit their needs without the need for a monthly subscription. This is what happens when companies feel they have a monopoly and there are no alternatives.

There are always alternatives.

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davedunlap1 wrote:

This is ridiculous Adobe!

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I guess we just have to wait and see whether the Cloud business model has made any difference in the company's revenues.  The idea was originally floated by Microsoft to curb the use of pirated software;  All other companies have followed suit.  Microsoft is the leader in new ways of generating revenues and other companies just follow it blindly.  You may remember that Microsoft was the first company to start product activation;  They spent millions on the technology and yet people were still managing to bypass its tight control on pirated software.  Subscription model will result in keys being sold on the Internet for people to use the software but I suspect the idea came from the security services like FBI and CIA to control what people are doing and to keep track of the work.  Very useful to catch the terrorists.  People's data that is stored in the cloud can be scanned by FBI's software to pin-point anything suspicious acts by the author.  Also, commercial secrets can be accessed by the authorities to find and prosecute tax evaders and those companies trading with countries like Iran.

So Cloud has some benefits but we just have to wait and see if this is widely accepted by the general public and corporations.

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Microsoft's Model is a lot different in that you can still get Office on DVD though you pay more for it and their subscription is $100 (Office consist of 4 applications Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook) for an entire year .  Plus once downloaded you can work on your files without a connection if your connection fails. If we could get web premium say for $100 per year, and I had decent internet. I might would consider it. Plus with out the connection you can't work on anything.

For me as sorry as my Cable connection is its just not practical. And I can't $1000 a month  or even $1200 a year.

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And what happens in those many, many countries —mine included— where the Cloud version is simply not available? Not that it affects me personally very much: I stopped upgrading my Adobe products when I stopped receiving paid jobs because of my age... My guess is that piracy will increase at least by a factor of ten.

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Your fright of CC is understandable. Until Adobe fully writes about a max fee, no one should believe any company that says they will not be manipulating their subscription pricing in the future.

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