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So yesterday after five I was at work, and logged into the Adobe forums. Today, I went to my profile to look at the threads I posted in yesterday, and I found a post I didn't make under my name:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6071240#6071240

The creepiest part of this, for me, is that I actually know rather more than the average bear regarding theories of archaic Pacific migration. I mean, lots more, courtesy of a hardass anthropology professor, some years ago. And I've gone on record on the Internet, recently, in forums where they care a lot about theories of Oceanic migration, that I don't care all that much about theories of Pacific migration. So I know that that is not a post I'd make.

I'm guessing that this is a Jive issue, not someone very carefully messing with my head. Have there been recent reports of "Hey, that's not my posting style!"?

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So what kind of glitch would create this post?

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So yesterday after five I was at work, and logged into the Adobe forums. Today, I went to my profile to look at the threads I posted in yesterday, and I found a post I didn't make under my name:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6071240#6071240

The creepiest part of this, for me, is that I actually know rather more than the average bear regarding theories of archaic Pacific migration. I mean, lots more, courtesy of a hardass anthropology professor, some years ago. And I've gone on record on the Internet, recently, in forums where they care a lot about theories of Oceanic migration, that I don't care all that much about theories of Pacific migration. So I know that that is not a post I'd make.

I'm guessing that this is a Jive issue, not someone very carefully messing with my head. Have there been recent reports of "Hey, that's not my posting style!"?

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Joel,

Indeed.

It was last reported a month ago in this thread,

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1368332?tstart=0

and no explanation has been found.

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Yours is the second. I'll pass this along to Jive.

Thanks!

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Here's another one - reply #3 in a discussion in the Creative Cloud forum.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6076126#6076126

John T Smith definitely did not post that. The OP in that thread did.

Edit: no issue with thread. JTS confirmed that he did post it.

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John Waller wrote:

Here's another one - reply #3 in a discussion in the Creative Cloud forum.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6076126#6076126

John T Smith definitely did not post that. The OP in that thread did.

This is definitely a Jive bug.

It appears in JTS's history of postings so either his account is hacked or he DID post that message for his own personal information.

Only he can confirm this.

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It appears in JTS's history of postings so either his account is hacked or he DID post that message for his own personal information.

Or a Jive bug has incorrectly linked his username with the post ID. Not in that case though.

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To clarify, are you referringi to post 558 "maybe it wasn't on purpose..."?

thanks!

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Yup, 558 is the one, adobe-admin.

I wonder if this is happening only to InDesign forum regulars? Is it really just me and Uwe?  Or are we the only people who noticed?

Lastly: when I say that I spend a lot of time posting about Oceanic migration, I was serious. To have that particular post under my name is kind of embarassing. Any chance that we can find the poster who actually said that, and put it under that poster's identity? Or otherwise expunge it from my posting history? No real rush about it, but if my Pacific clients happen to find me saying that their ancestral voyaging heroes "may very well have been able to fish" then I might have some awkward explaining to do.

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Joel Cherney wrote:

I wonder if this is happening only to InDesign forum regulars? Is it really just me and Uwe?  Or are we the only people who noticed?

Just curious, Joel, but did you read anything in this thread besides adobe-admin's answer?  Examples of others experiencing similar problems have been given.

-Noel

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Joel,

I have participated in that referenced thread, but had not seen your *post*, or Rod's reply to it, until I followed your link. That too is odd.

As Noel points out, it seems that atleast one other user is having similar, appearing in the Photoshop>General Discussions forum (referenced by Noel).

Until this thread started, I had not heard of such, at least since the change to Jive.

As for the post with your name - that can be Deleted, and i will be glad to do that for you. Just let me know - you can PM me, from my profile, and I will handle that for you.

Really, really odd that a bogus post should be attributed to your ID, especially considering your background. That almost sounds like a prank, but I cannot imagine how someone could do that? Mabye Adobe-Admin, or Dave Merchent will have some thoughts on the "how."

Good luck, and just let me know what you'd like me to do.

Hunt

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And I also seem to recall another thread in which someone did this on purpose on a fellow user and just for fun,.but gave up trying to find it.

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That almost sounds like a prank, but I cannot imagine how someone could do that?

I don't know much about the Jive backend, but I can easily imagine a vulnerability somewhere in Jive that would allow such spoofing. What I can't imagine is an Evil Hacker who'd want to spoof my identity, and use my login as a sock-puppet to say thoughtless stuff about Oceanic settlement, whose fakeposting would be so, well, mild.  Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.  It's much easier to assume that posts made by other people are accidentally being associated with our user IDs, as John Waller suggests.

I'll send you a PM so you can clear my name - thanks.

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I don't know much about the Jive backend, but I can easily imagine a vulnerability somewhere in Jive that would allow such spoofing.

In fact if this is yet another hack then I can guarantee you that the heads would roll at Adobe.  They simply can't afford to have another hacking scandal within such a short period when they did a lot of changes to make life a hell for everybody here on these forums to stop further damage.

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Separate the Forums from adobe proper.

Servers on a totally unrelated server use a totally different different password.

And Fire Jive there are other companies that have forum software that don't have the trouble Jive does.

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Phillip Jones wrote:

Separate the Forums from adobe proper.

Servers on a totally unrelated server use a totally different different password.

And Fire Jive there are other companies that have forum software that don't have the trouble Jive does.

i agree with you.  forums should be for everybody - whether they are using Adobe products or not;  Website login should be for people who are currently using Adobe products or intend to use it or buy it online from Adobe.  People should actively register for main website use;  It should not be automatic just because someone is using Forums.

It is dangerous to mix forums with main website.  In fact silly if my opinion matters!

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Phillip Jones wrote:

use a totally different different password.

Someone got it up their butt that the buzzway to make money in the 2010s is;

Cloud Services

The central tenet of having the net ubiquitously at your beck and call is that you access everything seamlessly anywhere with one identification process.  The implication is that it has to be secure.  But implication is all it is!

We see the reality with the state of the art of technology today.

-Noel

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Joel,

I don't know much about the Jive backend, but I can easily imagine a vulnerability somewhere in Jive that would allow such spoofing. What I can't imagine is an Evil Hacker who'd want to spoof my identity, and use my login as a sock-puppet to say thoughtless stuff about Oceanic settlement, whose fakeposting would be so, well, mild.

In this case, I feel certain that we can rule out any malice - however it does not explain what DID happen, in that case. Knowing the posting party, I say that something else happened, with zero nefarious intent. Wish that we knew HOW it happened, but seems like the other examples that Noel linked to - something is wrong under certain circumstances, but so far, no one knows what that is.

Hunt

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Bill Hunt wrote:

but seems like the other examples that Noel linked to - something is wrong under certain circumstances, but so far, no one knows what that is.

This is really worrying because as long as this uncertainty remains unresolved, Adobe infrastructure remains to be under constant attack and solution very difficult to find.  No respectable corporation would allow this to remain unresolved for too long.

Whatever it may be, this should be resolved within 24 hours otherwise the hackers will run riot on these forums and Adobe's main website.  Clearly something is wrong but nobody knows about it is even more wrong.

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mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:


No respectable corporation would allow this to remain unresolved for too long.

You may be living in the past and/or have a misconception that a corporation in 2014 cares whether it's "respectable".

Did the loss of customer account info hurt Adobe's stock price?  No, it's old news, hardly a blip.  The cloud goes on, the subscriptions go on.

Nobody really cares to know why anything is wrong with anything any more.  Inasmuch as the 20th century was (on and off) an era of excellence, the new millenium so far seems to have embraced nothing more than mediocrity.

-Noel

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I will move the thread out of public view so that Jive can take a look at it before that post gets deleted.

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And why should this thread be deleted, if I may ask? Have we lost the right to report what we think is wrong?

Wouldn't it be better to post an official response from Adobe/Jive about this issue (and several others, for that matter)? Have Adobe/Jive got so infatuated with their power that they think they can keep this completely free service center running without the collaboration of the hundreds of users who contribute daily without expecting any compensation?

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Claudio,

I believe John is referring to the thread with the orphan post, the one Joel reported, in post #22; and this one will live.

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adobe-admin wrote:

I will move the thread out of public view so that Jive can take a look at it before that post gets deleted.

Frankly, MVPs should not have the authority to delete anything on these forums.  They are not in a position to think rationally.  The reason they got the title is because they have more time to spend here on these forums rather than any other special credentials.  Not many have done the Adobe Certification tests AFAIK.

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Jacob, yes, that's another possible interpretation of the message from adobe-admin (and we don't know for certain if that's JC still using that screen name). If yours is the right one, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

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taxsite,

The forum administrator, who has led these forums for a couple of decades as Adobe staff, will eventually delete the orphan post that worried Joel enough to start this thread.

It is a bit difficult to see how that can give rise to this statement:

Frankly, MVPs should not have the authority to delete anything on these forums.

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Claudio,

I can see yours would also be possible.

With that woolliness it must have been John.

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Jacob Bugge wrote:

It is a bit difficult to see how that can give rise to this statement:

Frankly, MVPs should not have the authority to delete anything on these forums.

This gave rise to my statement because Adobe-Admin is powerless to make sure such posts are not deleted without being investigated thoroughly.  He is powerless because there are so many people who are "delete-happy" here on these forums and there is nothing he can do because he did not delegate these powers to anybody.  It was done by some woman (or guy) who was moved away from these functions presumably because of this fiasco of delegation. This is due to the fact that in post #7 this was stated in quite clear terms:

As for the post with your name - that can be Deleted, and i will be glad to do that for you. Just let me know - you can PM me, from my profile, and I will handle that for you.

This frankly is barmy because how can somebody delete posts without investigating further.  I don't think he has the expertise or access to the source post to investigate this himself (ignoring the fact that alcohol and work don't mix).  Only the guys at Jive can do this in association with Adobe-Admin.

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Ah, taxsite, an occasion to state an opinion.

As I have stated before, I believe most Most Vehemently Punished are without any moderating power; for my own part, one day I found myself being one with no clue who made the decision, and I have carried on just like before, neither less nor more (if possible) silly.

Apart from that, in my native forum I can only recall one thread that was deleted and two threads where small specific parts of a few posts were deleted in the just about five years of the present forum version, in all three cases fully justified, and in all three cases done by staff. There may be some MVP(s) with moderating power there, but if so I have never seen it used.

And I find it a bit difficult to see what is wrong in offering to delete a worrying post by request of the one it is wrongly attributed to, especially when it is an issue that may be investigated through other cases, however worrying the lack of solution may be to others.

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Jacob Bugge wrote:

And I find it a bit difficult to see what is wrong in offering to delete a worrying post by request of the one it is wrongly attributed to, especially when it is an issue that may be investigated through other cases, however worrying the lack of solution may be to others.

Everything is wrong with it because "other cases" alone is not sufficient because you want to know whether there is a concerted effort to launch an attack from different countries rather than from one individual in one country.  These attacks are normally launched from different countries and this is normally coordinated using the Tor private network where information is shared without alerting the authorities.  NSA is listening to almost everything except when something is discussed and shared on Tor network.  Now I am not an expert in this so don't ask me how do you get on Tor because I don't know and I have no interest to know it.

Deleting is not an option if authorities want to investigate this because more evidence the better.

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Someone help me please attached is a paper that was done and turned in.

For school. What confused me Is the little letters between words sentences

and ends of sentences. For the fact that I tried pulling up other class

mates papers or even tried to down load it and their paper is perfect

normal papers. That was written. Now I pull up paragraphs or comments to

my friend about her paper that was graded or commented on from him and yup

is just like hers. For a few days I seen it down loaded it. Then when I

asked her about it she doesn't know she says. And gets mad. So now guess

what???yup. . It doesn't happen anymore. Lol

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I have no idea what you are asking, or how this is related to the topic you have chosen to post in.  Nor is there any "attachment".

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Deleting is not an option if authorities want to investigate this because more evidence the better.

That may be true, but the other thread mentioned, which I linked to and you also took part in, seemed to indicate otherwise to a degree that could have fooled me.

In any case, I am sure any staff might have made the OP the same kind offer.

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See also:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6075225#6075225

You guys are having posts attributed to the wrong users.

-Noel

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Joel,

The Reply, to which you refer, was actually posted by Steven Gotz (see Reply #591 in that thread). He is a standup guy, and frequent contributor on several forums. He was as astounded, as you were, that the Reply was attributed to you. He has no clue HOW that happened, and neither do I.

No closer to the solution, than before, but we now know that this was not a prank, as far as any of us can tell.

Wish that I had more to offer, but those are the recent tid-bits.

Hunt

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