Why can't we just have separate log ins and be done with this nonsense?

[JayJhabrix]

As the topic says...

This common login is supposed to be one reason why Adobe can't implement NNTP. But what function does it serve? I've commented in another thread, and below is more or less, what i said there...

That, i think, was the most assinine idea anyone ever came up with. I see no reason for not having separate log ins for store and forums / downloads. In fact, i can't think of one good reason to combine the two.

If i were a user of the Adobe store, i would definitely prefer to have a separate login and password for that area. I think most people would. I see a lot of aliases in the forums. In the store, you'd want to use your real name for tax and audit purposes. Moreover, what's to stop people creating two identities anyway? So, the whole purpose of a common id is meaningless.

Am sure, that even at this stage, it wouldn't be too difficult to separate the two. For instance, whenever i open the forums i see a welcome at the top of the screen. Right above 'Home'. Yet, i still have to login to the forums... what give? Idiotic.

Adding to the above, doing away with this single log in would also mean an end to this frustration of suddenly getting logged off, randomly staying logged in, etc., etc.

[Guest]

JayJhabrix wrote:

They just refuse to waste the time and undergo the pain that Web Forums entail.

There was no pain at all in the Web Crossing forums.

The problem there, as with life in general, is having to get used to something you are not familiar with.

And the Luddite mentality of course. 

[JayJhabrix]

John Joslin wrote:

The problem there, as with life in general, is having to get used to something you are not familiar with.

And the Luddite mentality of course.

But the web forums are definitely slower than NNTP. And lack a hell of a lot of other functional features as compared to window dressing and tinsel... for instance, there is just no way here, you can mark threads of interest... bookmarking is not the same...

Agreed the WebX were faster... and at least took you to where you last visited... but this is the pits...

[Guest]

JayJhabrix wrote:

But the web forums are definitely slower than NNTP. And lack a hell of a lot of other functional features as compared to window dressing and tinsel... for instance, there is just no way here, you can mark threads of interest... bookmarking is not the same...

Agreed the WebX were faster... and at least took you to where you last visited... but this is the pits...

WebCrossing was way faster than NNTP. yes I tried it out but did not like it. NNTP was lightyears faster than the fusetalk forums as it is faster than the crap we are using now.

[Jochem van Dieten]

Ramón G Castañeda wrote on 2009-05-28 10:26:

In addition, the abuse of autoquotes in NNTP messages by the likes of Murray the Adobe Community Expert and others were a great source of annoyance and irritation to users of the web forums.

It was a great source of annoyance to NNTP users as well. There is a

well established (over 30 year old) practice on how you should quote in

one-to-many communications but since September started that appears to

have gone down the drain.

Jochem

--

Jochem van Dieten

http://jochem.vandieten.net/

[Jochem van Dieten]

Harbs. wrote on 2009-05-28 10:08:

There's a difference between edits not being seen on NNTP, and being

bombarded by all the garbage that's ever been written!

So it is OK that we get all the garbage in email notifications, but not

if it gets into the NNTP feed?

Jochem

--

Jochem van Dieten

http://jochem.vandieten.net/

[Harbs.]

I don't think I explained myself very well...

First of all I didn't say that the email implementation is ideal. It's

far from it! NNTP under web crossing was far better...

Scenario:

In five years from now someone is looking for cracked versions of the

Creative Suite. Assuming the NNTP server contains any post ever made,

chances are pretty good that someone posted some illegal material at

some point in time. While this could also be a problem with email,

it's only possible to get email when you are already subscribed. If

you're already subscribed, chances are you're not shopping for illegal

software. The same concept applies to other garbage posts. While the

problem, exists in email as well, the damage is minimized.

NNTP under web crossing was better than email in this regard, because

removed (and edited) posts were changed on the NNTP server. Unless you

downloaded the messages from the server immediately, you got the fixed

versions. With the current email implementation, even if posts are

modified immediately, there's no way you'll get the modified version

in email. With NNTP at least you had a chance of getting the

modified versions.

If NNTP can be done right, it's much better than email (and not just

because of spam posts...), but I don't think archiving spam forever is

the way to go...

Now, if this AIR app is done correctly, it could have the best of all

worlds. Modified messages can be automatically updated even after

they're downloaded, it could properly display all content (unlike NNTP/

email), used offline (unlike the web interface), performance should be

as good as NNTP, etc... I think the potential there is tremendous! Of

course, I believe that the downloadable content should be user

configurable, as well as caching, etc.

Harbs

[Kath-H]

Got to  love an optimist

[Guest]

this post from a friend pretty much sums it up...

The 'logging out' thing is proving surprisingly off-putting thing for me. It logged me out, and it was five days before I cared enough to log in again. It's as though I keep getting told to go away; eventually I'll get the hint, I guess.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2001834#2001834

doesn't matter that it was posted in the lounge, what matters is people are leaving all the forums.

[Guest]

Forum Ops: The people who were helping users are all leaving the forums!

Adobe Management:  Whatever.

[Scott Falkner · Accepted solution]

John Joslin wrote:

Forum Ops: The people who were helping users are all leaving the forums!

Adobe Management:  Whatever.

Adobe Management: Fuck 'em. We already have their money.

[Guest]

Scott Falkner wrote:

John Joslin wrote:

Forum Ops: The people who were helping users are all leaving the forums!

Adobe Management:  Whatever.

Adobe Management: **** 'em. We already have their money.

You've Jived the quote all up, silly.  Let me uncensor this for you.

Adobe Management: Jive 'em! We already have their money.

There's no room for political Jiveness on these forums, we need the whole uncensored truth!

[JayJhabrix]

Ansury wrote:

There's no room for political Jiveness on these forums, we need the whole uncensored truth!

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