Beenden
  • Globale Community
    • Sprache:
      • Deutsch
      • English
      • Español
      • Français
      • Português
  • 日本語コミュニティ
  • 한국 커뮤니티

External Monitoring in CS6

Gast
Sep 12, 2012 Sep 12, 2012

Harm, I don't know if you remember me as I haven't been here since Premiere Pro 6.0, but I just upgraded to CS3 and now CS6.  These Adobe forums are so over-produced I can't find the correct place to post this question so I hope you will forgive me.  How do you get Premiere Pro CS6 to output to an NTSC monitor.  I was outputting to this monitor under CS3 by using a Grass Valley conterter box coming out of the system firewire, but it doesn't seem to work under CS6. 

Thanks, James

jjaeger@mecfilms.com

610-688-9212

21.6K
Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Guru ,
Nov 21, 2012 Nov 21, 2012

The Current Blackmagic drivers are not having the sync issue. Often times the AV sync is not an issue with the drivers but is caused by setting the audio in Premiere to Asio versus the WIndows audio. Premiere can sync the Video to audio when the audio device is in WDM mode but cannot when the audio device is in Asio. This is not an issue with the device or drivers but with Premiere's Asio support and has been for several versions.

Eric

ADK

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Gast
Nov 22, 2012 Nov 22, 2012

Thanks Sebas.  I will keep an eye on the A/VA sync and note your advice.

James

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Gast
Sep 13, 2012 Sep 13, 2012

Hi Jon, I don't know what CUDA ... means. 

And is Blackmagic a converter box like the Grass Valley or is it a card like Matrox?

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Neu hier ,
Nov 13, 2012 Nov 13, 2012

I just installed CS6, but my NTSC monitor connection no longer works.

It's a firewire connection to a SONY cam, which sends a composite signal to an NTSC monitor. (Used to be real simple).

What do I have to do to make this work again? 

I think I read that firewire no longer works with CS6.  True?  If  not, do I need to simply replace it with a USB link?

Dan

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
LEGENDE ,
Nov 13, 2012 Nov 13, 2012
I think I read that firewire no longer works with CS6.  True?  If  not, do I need to simply replace it with a USB link?

Incorrect. Firewire works great with CS6, no problem. USB will not work.

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Neu hier ,
Nov 13, 2012 Nov 13, 2012

OK, then I suppose I need to change a setting in CS6. I went to the

preferences panel, and under playback. But my SONY cam was not recognized,

nor my NTSC monitor, but I didn't expect that to show up because I assume

the system only sees the camcorder.

Dan

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
LEGENDE ,
Nov 13, 2012 Nov 13, 2012
Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Neu hier ,
Nov 13, 2012 Nov 13, 2012

Sorry, I'm not using Windows. I've got a 2008 Mac Pro Intel running Snow

Leopard.

Dan

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Teilnehmer ,
Nov 19, 2012 Nov 19, 2012

James, forget about the computer's graphics card for timeline monitoring. You should still get a good one to get accelerated effects, although you are very constrained in choices by the Mac, so eventually you might want to get a good PC where you can put any card you want.

But for displaying video from the timeline on a TV set or broadcast monitor you need a dedicated card, of which the cheapest and worst you can buy is the Blackmagic Intensity Pro, which from my own experience I would advise you to stay away from because in this case cheap equals poor quality. A good choice that has worked well for me is the Matrox Mini MXO2 Max, which is a tiny card that connects to a breakout box that also has a processor to accelerate h.264 encoding. It has HDMI and component inputs and outputs, and it sends out a proper broadcast signal, unlike a graphic card which is intended for computer use and will treat the TV set as a computer monitor. This means that basically you will not be seeing the proper colors, and if you work with interlaced footage it's even worse, as it won't display the fields properly. Besides all this, it will stutter at random places. Those are among the reasons a dedicated monitoring card exists, and any professional editing workstation has one.

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Gast
Nov 20, 2012 Nov 20, 2012

Hi Sebasvideo, 

I do have a PC and as I mentioned in my post to Harm, I also have the Nvidia 660Ti video card with 4 ports. It sounds like you don't advise trying to go out to a TV via this card but instead recommend a dedicated I/O card-break out box, such as the Matrox Mini MX02 Max.  I cked this out and it's about $600 or $700 dollars, lowest price on Amazon at $400 used.  I had one of Matrox's earlier I/O cards-breakout boxes previously (the DV-500) and had problems with it.  Also I note that some of the reviews on Amazon about the MX02 are not very good, also stating that Matrox's customer service is bad.  I tend to agree.  My experience with Matrox is their stuff is over-priced shit and they don't back it up with good customer service or returns.  AND they're not even IN the US.  But you also say the Black Magic card is shit.  So I put some of this back on Adobe:

Adobe:  you're a multi-billion dollar corporation that has finally, after 10 - 15 generations, designed a very nice editing app, but getting the final product of this app, what us editors slave over, is still a bag of worms.  Use some of your clout and make this go away.

James Jaeger 

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Engagiert ,
Nov 20, 2012 Nov 20, 2012

Just for the record - as far as I remember the DV500 was a Pinnacle product and not Matrox 🙂

Ulf

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Gast
Nov 21, 2012 Nov 21, 2012

Yes, Ulf, you are correct.  I had some other Matrox product and don't remember the numbers ... only the bad experiences.  To clear the record, the DV-500 by Pinnacle actually worked reasonabley well, although it was a little funky with Premiere 5.1c, which was state-of-the-art then.

James

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Teilnehmer ,
Nov 20, 2012 Nov 20, 2012

James Jaeger wrote:

Also I note that some of the reviews on Amazon about the MX02 are not very good, also stating that Matrox's customer service is bad.  I tend to agree.  My experience with Matrox is their stuff is over-priced **** and they don't back it up with good customer service or returns.  AND they're not even IN the US.  But you also say the Black Magic card is ****.  So I put some of this back on Adobe:

Adobe:  you're a multi-billion dollar corporation that has finally, after 10 - 15 generations, designed a very nice editing app, but getting the final product of this app, what us editors slave over, is still a bag of worms.  Use some of your clout and make this go away.

James, I can only tell you my experience with Matrox, with only two products, a graphics card from 2000 that was great, and the MXO2 Mini Max, which at least for me has worked great so far. I got one of those great deals B&H has once in a while and I got it for about $600. However, the same model without the Max is about $400 and still gives you perfect output to any HDMI or component monitor or TV set.

In my over ten years of editing video, everything I've read and heard from professionals is that a dedicated timeline monitoring card is absolutely necessary, unless your only delivery is for web or local computer playback. There is absolutely no way that a computer graphics card will deliver the video signal that will tell you exactly what the final product is going to be once it's on the air, or on a Blu-ray, especially when it's interlaced. And this I saw for myself when I couldn't afford one of these cards and I had to use Vegas and Premiere with their full screen modes on my TV set, which acts as a second monitor. Any footage that was interlaced looked totally different as far as the motion goes, and the levels were off. Levels can be calibrated to a certain extent, with test patterns and with your own tests, recording a static scene where you have different levels of light, and especially a couple of items that you can barely see, to switch back and forth between the camera's input and the computer's input, but it won't be exactly the same. But there's nothing you can do about the interlaced footage, unless you never use such footage.

As for what you say to Adobe, I fully agree. It can't be possible that Adobe tries to position Premiere as a professional NLE and many people still have problems with external monitoring cards. Before Premiere CS6 I was using Edius, which I stopped using for creative reasons, but there is no other NLE in the industry that is more reliable and fast. Grassvalley makes not only the software but the hardware, not the full workstation but the monitoring card. This ensures that both are absolutely compatible with each other. I used Edius for weeks without a single crash, and when it did it was usually because of some 3rd party plugin. The other very important thing is that Edius can do everything Premiere does when it comes to real time, but without the expensive CUDA card. In fact, Edius has much faster real time playback and scrubbing than Premiere, all by using just the CPU, which makes obvious that Adobe at some point made a deal with Nvidia, or maybe Grass Valley (formerly Canopus) has the smartest programmers in the world, because I see no other way that can be explained.

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
Gast
Nov 21, 2012 Nov 21, 2012

As I mentioned to Harm above, I have decided to try to Black Magic Intensity Pro.  It's only $189 and B&H says I can return it if there's a problem.  If I have to return it, I MAY spring for the Matrox.

It sound like your technical needs for color correction, etc., are much more demanding than mine. The only reason I want to be able to put the program monitor out to a 60-inch TV screen is because that helps me visualize the final show.  I am currently producing political documentaries and they occasionally play in theateres so I like to get everything just right for that venue.     

>As for what you say to Adobe, I fully agree. <snip>
... which makes obvious that Adobe at some point made a deal with Nvidia ...

Yeah, I don't know what's going on.  ADOBE used to package Premiere with Pinnacle's DV-500 and things worked reasonably well. Where they made their mistake is Pinnacle should have designed just the hardware, and Adobe should have designed the SOFTWARE.  The way it worked was Premiere 5.1c invoked the DV-500 software as a plug-in when one wanted to I/O video. IMO, the third-party software never integrates as smoothly as it should/could.  What ADOBE should do is acquire all or part of a hardware company and have it build cost-effective cards that will work specifically for Premiere.  It's insane we still have an editing product with truncated I/O functionality 11 years after Stanley Kubrick postualted we would be on Jupiter.

James Jaeger      


Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines
LEGENDE ,
Nov 19, 2012 Nov 19, 2012

[moved to hardware forum]

Übersetzen
Melden
Community-Richtlinien
Seien Sie freundlich und respektvoll, geben Sie die ursprüngliche Quelle der Inhalte an und suchen Sie vor dem Absenden Ihres Beitrags nach Duplikaten. Weitere Informationen
community guidelines