Playback Problem on Old System with New Version of Premiere Pro

[flbreen]

I have had good playback on my 2013 PC system with 6 core and GTX 680 running Premiere Pro (14.0.0) but now it is choppy on fast forward. Using PP (13.1.5) there is no problem. It seems like the latest version does not like my GPU.

[flbreen]

Actually I had good playback with my system up to version (14.0.0)

[John T Smith]

Some things to do, and more information needed for someone to help...
-Troubleshooting https://community.adobe.com/t5/Premiere-Pro/Unofficial-Premiere-Pro-Troubleshooting-Guide/td-p/87892...
-PPro Editing Information FAQ https://community.adobe.com/t5/Premiere-Pro/FAQ-What-information-should-I-provide-when-asking-a-ques...

[flbreen]

I should not need to do trouble shooting. The older version is fine. There is a change in the new version that is messing up my GPU acceleration. Could you give me the location of the file that contains the supported GPU models?

[Guest]

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/155644/en-us

[RjL190365]

Unfortunately, your GPU is very old. Although the newest drivers technically support that GTX 680, which dates all the way back to 2012 (that's seven years already), it just does not have the capabilities that newer-gen GPUs have that Adobe software makes good use of. As a result, Adobe prefers that you use a GPU that was introduced no earlier than 2016 in order for Premiere Pro to run properly.

[flbreen]

You are saying that my GTX 680 worked fine with the previouse version PP 13.0 but the latest version of PP 14.0 has changes in it that cause it to work poorly with my GTX 680. The problem is that I don't want to buy a new GPU for my 2013 that works well. Which GPU would you suggest?

[RjL190365]

Which 6-core CPU do you currently have? I do not like to give recommendations for a new GPU without knowing what you have because you might end up wasting money for a GPU that might be way overkill for your CPU.

[flbreen]

2013 System

Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor
Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard
G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 64 GB (8 x 8 GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (32GB)
EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4 GB Video Card

I would really like to know is if there were changes made in Premiere Pro 14 that make GPU acceleration not work with my GTX 680. Actually, my system does better playback when I shut off GPU Acceleration. It is almost as though it is miss labelled so that on is off and off is on. I am affraid to add new hardware to this system but if you have a suggested GPU I would ike to think about buying it. Thanks

[RjL190365]

With that system I would suggest a GTX 1660 SUPER or a GTX 1660 Ti or an RTX 2060. Don't waste your money on anything higher than the plain 2060 unless you're planning to upgrade your PC's entire CPU platform (CPU, motherboard and RAM) within the next few months.

This is because the performance results from that 6-core, 12-thread i7-3930K, even when overclocked to 4.7 GHz, is barely any better than a late-model (from 2017) quad-core/8-thread Kaby Lake i7-7700K CPU at its default (stock) speed. In fact, the overclocked i7-3930K is actually weaker than even a modern 6-core, 6-thread Intel i5-9600K at its stock speed! (Heck, even an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 outperforms that Sandy Bridge E dinosaur.) And you certainly do not want to have a performance mismatch or imbalance in favor of GPU because then, the CPU would then become the limiting factor.

And this GPU update is strongly recommended for Premiere Pro 14.x (2020) because the Kepler-generation GTX 680 lacks hardware support for certain CUDA rendering features that newer versions of Premiere Pro make heavy use of - and that hardware support was not implemented until the Pascal generation of GPUs (the GeForce 10 series) was introduced in 2016.

[Guest]

The RTX 2060 Super is a great option as it has 8GB of VRAM, and it's only $399

[flbreen]

I have not looked at GPUs in a long time. What happened to the DVI ports? I guess it is all HDMI now? I have decided to wait 6 months and put together a new system. I am looking to copy the Puget system 4K workstation.  That system has these components:

Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Open Air?

Have you built a system using PCI-E M.2 for storage? My thought is to have a 500MB C: drive for Windows and applications and a 2TB D: drive for Premiere Pro projects.

[Guest]

I highly encourage using PCI-E M.2 storage, as opposed to having it on the motherboard, due to the DMI 3.0 bottleneck: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/c2ctim/is_intel_still_affected_by_the_dmi_30_bottleneck/

Most monitors come with DisplayPort and HDMI now. DVI is too large and no one likes screws anymore. You can get passive adapters on the cheap. 

You might want to consider waiting a month and getting the new 10900K with 10 cores instead of 8. 

The RTX 2070 is a very slight upgrade on 3D performance from the 2060 Super, but definitely not worth the money. Put your money into the CPU, unless you're editing RAW footage and expect to debayer in real time, in which case you should jump up to the 2080 Ti or RTX Titan. 

[Guest · Accepted solution]

And again, don't buy a new graphics card until you've tried this driver with the GTX 680: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/155644/en-us

[flbreen]

You are right. I used that link to update the driver and the playback is great again. When I noticed the problem I immediately updated the driver using the Nvidia app. After reading your note today I noticed that my driver was older than the one at the link you gave me. I guess I will put off a new system indefinately. I am running a system with 8 spinning drives with a RAID controller and a 120 GB SSD main drive and I don't know what I will do with it if I stop using it. Thanks very much.

[flbreen]

If I did want to upgrade from my 6.5 year old system could you design a system around the 10900K cpu?

I think I want 500GB for the operating system and 2TB for the PP project files. It looks like you have already specified the gpu (2060 Super). I guess all that is left is a main board and and ram. Actually I would like an explaination on the PCI-E M.2 storage. I was looking forward plugging the M.2 storage cards directly into the main board but there is a better way of adding this storage? Thanks

[robertn13852640]

Hi,  I have the same CPU and motherboard as above but a GTX 980TI.  I still have massive playback issues (with and without GPU acceleration) 

Can you please help me.

Thanks 

[flbreen]

I thought my problem was solved when I updated the driver but it wasn't. I went back to using PP version 13 and I got much better playback.

[Guest]

It's a Kepler card, it should work with CUDA 9.2 just fine if you've got driver 396.26 or higher

[robertn13852640]

I will just keep going back through the versions until I get good playback then....... not ready to change components yet.  I already upgraded my GPU for a 680ti to a 980ti thinking it would work.