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Rod, here is the ZOHO login webpage. If you remember the password you set for ZOHO, it should work. If it does not, let me know - I'll delete and re-include you in the project user list, which should give you a brand new link to join the ZOHO again. But I will do it tomorrow, 'cos it's either too late night or too early morning here and I'm going to bed. 
okay.. that worked.. thanks a ton...
I got mssg on log in that its written for IE 9 ..and I had IE 8 so I upgraded to IE 10...and its working ...now I can see the right side of page for the items needing to be collaborated on ( schedules, calandars, tasks etc... )... which is very cool.... nice program...
I like it .. and it is probably enough for us to work witih this as a group IMO. Thanks for pointing me to the program and I'm glad I finally got my computer up to speed to be in the 21st century...
I have a few housekeeping things to do now.. with new mouse... like I hate to think what my c drive looks like with fragmenting..and most everything I loaded in past 2 days is shoving stuff down my throat ( auto updates and even flash player stuffed google chrome and toolbar down my throat... )... but I'll do the housekeeping tonight.. and defrag while sleeping etc...
all in all I"m happy with the win7 stuff so far , for this type use .... mouse is now a junk computer for email, internet and basic computing. The pig will never be on internet ... as a working mans computer..
if it works, I dont have to fix it or upgrade it etc... and thats the pig...and I dont want people shoving stuff down my throat and taking over when updates happen and so on...thats just ME.. how I feel about working platforms as opposed to 'social networking' platforms...
anyway, this zoho thing is cool and lets stick with it and see if we can get others to join us there... then work out the basics for the 60 sec spot.. yap about the other PR stuff ( print ads etc ) and move on...
maybe it was acrobat that stuffed chrome in.. I forget.. they are bundling so many things together for market share its hard to keep track who is shoving what down my throat...
dont matter.. I couldnt care less with new mouse.. as its just a social thing ... not a serious computer for work...
I hope the clowns who think up their creative cloud market ( think, CEO , here ).. get real about this and security, speed of use, etc...
I hope the CEO goes to jail and does not pass GO...to collect his $200.... but by the same token, I hope he invites me to his mcMansion for a chat about what good books are being published these days.. I wonder if he like umberto eco ??
OK then. This weekend I'll try to check how to set general tasks breakdown, tasks and subtasks dependencies etc. in ZOHO (so far I haven't worked with ZOHO as well). Hope, Steven will also be available soon and can test ZOHO tools so that we can 'officially choose' our project management tool (we can always revisit this decision later if need be and change to another one).
Another one task we need to finish before we can 'officially close' this project phase is:
- to ensure that all items, which constitutes our final product, are included in the list;
- every item's specification is clear and sufficient (e.g. I don't see in which resolution we are going to deliver our movie. I wonder if it was just Fuzzy's blunder or done intentionally? 
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- to which extent we can tolerate some deviations from the specifications (e.g. should we stop working on the project on 24 December irrespective of whether we managed to produce and approve all final product items from the list by that time or keep working until everything is approved and released irrespective of time shift, or just approve and release our Movie, The and terminate all other tasks? Or what should we do if we can't overcome the proposed challenge and can't recreate a music theme on our own so as to use it in final product?).
Then we will be able to move to a similarly boring phase: define all tasks we need to accomplish so as to deliver all final product items, estimate how long those tasks might take and hence which resources and when we need to allocate so as to complete them in time.
zoho managed to capture the info I attempted to input to start my own account the other day..and sent me email tonight leading me through process of signing into zoho as my own account thing... so I can more or less play with that end of things too..chk it out..I did NOT start a project and will use yours for this adobe joint project.
I was kinda thinking we could move the date forward for completion to maybe the 2nd week of January. The holidays ( thanksgiving, xmas and new years ) might provide events and occassions for some cool shots , relative to whatever is decided re: subject of project...the product or whatever we end up selling. Conversely, the holidays sometimes gets busy for people traveling and so on... so we might lose some time to work on the project during those holidays.
I hope Joe can sign up for the zoho thing too ...
Steve is probably unpacking boxes and trying to get services to new home ( internet etc ).
This weekend, as you said, will be a good time to narrow things down some more, hopefully with Joe and Steve's input as well as any others who can join project...
We'll need to give the final edit to someone and I kinda think Joe might be best at that due to his tons of experience .. but he might wanna do other stuff, like write the script, storyboard the thing, whatever...??
anyway, thanks again fuzzy for pulling this together with the zoho thing...etc.
I think re: the resolution for delivery, it was sorta up in air what to shoot at ( dimensions, fps, etc ) for edit.. and 'delivery' from there would be to the internet right ?? So that would depend on the bandwidth available ... typically full HD sucks on the internet IMO... so I would vote for something way smaller.. is that what you mean by delivery ?
I hope Joe chimes in on this issue too... as there's issues about DL time for editor to get original clips.. maybe if we do multiple takes of some shot.. we should have a place where editor can look at mp4 samples of them, pick the one he wants.. and thats the one that gets uploaded for editor to DL...otherwise we might have a ton of junk he has to wade through, which would be kinda dumb...better to pick and choose what he wants..dont you think ??
we're gonna have to be thick skinned about letting others choose what shots are used and not used...
if I shoot a scary snake and it ends up on editing floor.. I have to cry about it privately...
hows the move going so far Steve?
let us know when you're up and runnin and join the zoho thing ...
about zoho.. my suspician is that since it does that chat thing it is a peer to peer deal...when we can share large files through that..as part of that peer to peer thing ...
that means the computer with the files on it has to stay ON when others are trying to DL
used to do that sort of thing years ago with instant messenger but not using huge Gbyte files....
in my case, lets say I shoot mov with avid codec, 1080p 30fps.. I'm gonna have to put in pig and sync sound ( if there is any sound )..so I can export ( sorta 'convert' ) to whatever we decide to use..or whatever...I can probably do whatever everyone decides on..
pretty tricky... get help unpacking and moving by inviting friends over.....
" Oh, you wanna eat with us ?? Just go out into the garage , find the box marked " dishes" and bring it here "
" Oh, you wanna sleep ? Well, go to the garage and carry the bed you see there into that room over there...and set it up "
hehe...
glad things are working out well....
Personally I HATE all that 'social' junk, which is completely useless and just clutters the interface. I HATE the paradigm in which milestones are groups of tasks rather than important events within a task. I'm not fond of glitches, which take place in ZOHO Gantt View. I feel disappointed about lack of ability to divide a general task into subtasks in free ZOHO account as well as lack of time tracking... Can I live with that? Probably yes, for the time being. We can keep evaluating ZOHO and simultaneously explore other project management tools like TeamBox and qdPM mentioned above. However, choosing project management tool shouldn't prevent us from accomplishing actual tasks, which are more important and on which the project really depends. That doesn't mean they are less boring though... 
yeah, I noticed the 'upgrade' promises the sub task stuff.. and a few other assets. I feel we can use the zoho thing too...
at least it allows for a specific area ( forum ) to yap about the project details etc... give ideas re: opinons on elements of project etc.
the chat thing might come in handy too... at least for me as I type pretty fast
it looks like we got two major problems at this point.. aside from picking the right project management tool...
first is to get more people into the project....as we cant define the project parameters ( elements ) until we have members to do the work and collaboration. I mean, whittle down the overall project wish list into something everyone can deliver and be assigned to.
second is to have a place to decide what those parameters are ( what to shoot (subject and content)) , what to deliver to editor, who does what re: print ads, etc.
I think there are about 8 people who can deliver if they wanted to , but mostly they need to monetize their time, unlike me... I actually bought a cell phone recently where I throw money out the window every time someone I dont know sends me a mssg or calls me.. so obviously money means nothin to me.
the poor vikings are not doing well.. sheesh... maybe what they need is a new stadium to get them to work out and learn how to play ?
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we didn't finish with final product specification and project quality criteria
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I can live with the 24 DEC deadline, and agree we can make that work with placeholders etc...just use imagination to fill that in.
As for final specs.... I think a 60 sec tv commercial is the basic. I think the supporting PR and print ads is too much work depending on how many people are involved. I am horrible at page design ...those guys ( art directors ) that do that stuff are way good. I suck at that. But I might be able to do something better than nothing. Some print ads might come out of the motion stuff anyway. Lets play that by ear right now.
So spec wise.. I'm thinking do the 60 secs.. the shorter versions can come out of that if there's time ( 30sec, 15sec etc ).
Quality I am leaning toward 1080p 24 fps, with broadcast safe gamma, color etc. regardless of the delivery ( web, cine, tv ).
I dont have monitors calibrated and being in the ballpark of broadcast safe seems to be the best chance of not screwing up whoever is gonna edit the clips from multiple sources.
I suggest we share mp4 clips somewhere ( website or youtube or vimeo etc ) so that only those clips that FIT the final edit need to be UL and DL at full res...at some FTP site ... can use mine if we want... with ID and password to that FTP site.
It is already the middle of OCT and there is not a lot of time left to 24 DEC... so lets make these decisions now.
ps...
I just installed cs6 PSD and audition on mouse....so I can at least do some work on mouse with basic stuff....everything else on pig and pig is not on internet...
I like the new mouse but am severely limited due to programs I lost....when I installed win 7 from XP.
Vikings need help ....they should eat more BEEF
just chkd email and got one from project where you said you propose the 24 dec date..
keep doing that.. take control of that... I dont need to respond unless we do it here in this thread... that way the zoho thing is admin by you and there is a continuity there....if things need to get changed etc at zoho.. you do that..
okay ? I'm good to go...
chris duncan, bill hunt and powerbydesign has had this ftp info in the past....all trustworthy etc.
ps.. edit....
even though they are warthogs !
whoops.. I just realized.. Bill didnt use the ftp info and sent stuff via mail to me instead ? I dont remember...but he had the info etc but I dont think he actually used it...sorry Bill.. I didnt know how to use that dropbox stuff you turned me onto ...
Anywho, the point is , some people can be trusted with stuff no matter what.
if you look at this without listening to the sound... and think back a few months...about how exciting the media was about this moron.... and check out how sick this is... you will realize why I DONT WANNA DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS....
http://www.youtube.com/user/officialpsy
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