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lasvideo wrote:
I think "insanity" is the word the rest of us think is more appropriate.
Wow, that was an awfully blunt statement. I used to have a lot more respect for you. Apparently you don't know better than to not take out your frustrations on a fellow forum user. I would not have guessed this previously. Thanks.
we apologist, shill, cloudvacates...
FYI... I get a residual every time that term I coined
(see post 6) is used in this thread.
Keep at it... that's what's going to pay for my CC subscription!
lasvideo wrote:
I think "insanity" is the word the rest of us think is more appropriate.
...for what it's worth, I'd welcome you to continue the debate on this matter specifically with reasons for what you believe, countering what I percieve. If you don't have anything of value or I have rendered some point of your's moot, it's quite alright to simply concede as much, or not bother reposting at all, but you really don't need to just poke fun for no reason. It makes you look bad and adds clutter to the discussion.
Here are some numbers to ponder.
Users posting to this thread who have expressed concerns: 22
lasvideo
Biggles Lamb
joe bloe premiere
John T Smith
Jason Van Patten
ExactImage
shooternz
Christopher Duncan
CAOLSEN
Kopy-Rite
W_J_T
Peter Wiley
Felix Dames
tclark513
srukweza
Matt J Kuhns
Luvfilm
7marcin
StormMarc
Alan Craven
matkeane
Undots
Users who have posted to this thread that have no concerns,
and / or are directly advocating the subscription model: 8
Christian Jolly
Fuzzy Barsik
Evil Edison
Nancy O.
Alex Gerulaitis
Jim Simon
Steven L. Gotz
Dave Merchant
Users who have expressed a hopeful sentiment: 6
Jeff Bellune
Stu S
Stan Jones
Bill Gehrke
KGCW
P_o_B
I apologize if I have misrepresented anyone's intent.
Joe, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion...
I jumped to no conclusion... simply tallied the count without comment.
joe bloe premiere wrote:
I jumped to no conclusion... simply tallied the count without comment.
Further, were one so inclined, they could hunt around on other Adobe forums (and non-Adobe forums) to see the general reaction to the new licensing model.
jas
joe bloe premiere wrote:
-Users who have expressed a hopeful sentiment: 6
Jeff Bellune
Stu S
Stan Jones
Bill Gehrke
KGCW
P_o_B
I apologize if I have misrepresented anyone's intent.
Apology accepted. Hopeful only that they're sincere about continuing with bug fixes, off to Media Composer reather than the monthly shakedown.
joe bloe premiere wrote:
Here are some numbers to ponder.
Users posting to this thread who have expressed concerns: 22
.....
Users who have posted to this thread that have no concerns,
and / or are directly advocating the subscription model: 8
......
Users who have expressed a hopeful sentiment: 6
.....
I apologize if I have misrepresented anyone's sentiment.
Worth noting is that human tendency is to complain. Think of the number of times you've been out to dinner and thought "wow, good food, good service, plenty of available parking, amazing!" and made sure to write a letter, phone a call, or just stop and chat with the owners/operators on the way out. I'd bet the average percentage is quite low...maybe 1 out of 10 times you have a great experience, you go overboard telling someone about it. But probably close to 100% of the time (or 9 out of 10) when things go south (meal is wrong, staff is rude, bathroom is messy) you complain. Worse, our tendency to complain is really not limited to truly bad experiences, but just lack of perfection. I personally know some folks that will LOOK for problems and then nail someone to a wall about the smallest thing.
Sorry, long point, but it's this, that you will never have any trouble finding hoardes of people to complain about anything...whether it's just a small bad, big bad, terrible or massive failure is not relevant. Try to collect positive opinions, and unless you're giving away a free iPad or free gas for a year, it's kind of hard to hear good things. I am resolutely personally bound to optimism and encouragement whenever possible, so if it comes across as pie-in-the-sky, it's only because I refuse to be just another always-angry cynic in a world jam-packed full of them. I apply this attitude to Adobe, Microsoft, McDonalds and my obnoxious friends all equally.
Worth noting is that human tendency is to complain.
It's a bit cynical and dismissive to simply say:
"people are instinctively more inclined toward complaining"
Also, these folks are for the most part long-time and regular
Forum members and contributors... not people "racing to the Forum"
with the only intent of hearing themselves rant.
I just don't share your level of alarm...
I think resigned disappointment is a better description.
You didn't get an HDTV until last year??? Gasp! Not sure I can take anything you say seriously from now on, Christian
In my case, I personally owned the CS5 Master Collection and chose to go with Creative Cloud instead of paying $1300 for an upgrade. I look at it this way--wherever I work I will likely be using Adobe and I will always want the latest and greatest. Plus, I'd rather pay a small monthly fee than a big chunk all at once. I do get what people are saying though. If you don't use all or most of Master Collection it isn't as good a deal. Maybe Adobe needs to dream up a few more creative options.
Evil Edison wrote:
You didn't get an HDTV until last year??? Gasp! Not sure I can take anything you say seriously from now on, Christian
In my case, I personally owned the CS5 Master Collection and chose to go with Creative Cloud instead of paying $1300 for an upgrade. I look at it this way--wherever I work I will likely be using Adobe and I will always want the latest and greatest. Plus, I'd rather pay a small monthly fee than a big chunk all at once. I do get what people are saying though. If you don't use all or most of Master Collection it isn't as good a deal. Maybe Adobe needs to dream up a few more creative options.
An HDTV for the house/living room....the studio had some really expensive HDTV stuff.
All the HDTV options were either cheap garbage or overpriced. For my everyday entertainment, I just wanted a good screen that did a lot and didn't cost a lot. Last year that happened, when LG released a 47" LED SmartTV with very good 3D (passive) and a low price tag (it was an $1,800 screen, but we actually got it for closer to $700 because of some instant promotion thing). It's an amazing TV, no sacrifices, no overpricing, just awesome entertainment.
Erm....anyway....yeah, I always wanted the Master Collection because I still was paying extra for Dreamweaver and Acrobat sidecars to my Production Premium (it was cheaper for that setup than going full-blown Master Collection). The Creative Cloud took the financial question out of consideration in that way.
You know, I also believe they need more a-la-carte choices, like build a bundle...3 or more apps, you get 30% off your monthly subscription, so Premiere Pro, Photoshop and After Effects would be more like $40 a month, still less than $50, and give the user all they really need. But maybe in time. Right now it's simpler to just say there's only the 1 thing I guess.
Christian Jolly wrote:
An HDTV for the house/living room....the studio had some really expensive HDTV stuff.
I was pretty sure you were talking about your personal set Not to be a shill for HDTVs but I got suckered in from the start. I think I'm on my fourth one already. Wish Best Buy would lease them to me but unfortunately I had to buy them all outright.
A-la-carte would definitely help quell the anxiety. Seriously, if people in our market are upset, imagine how the guys doing desktop or web are feeling? Getting saddled with AE, Premiere, Prelude, Speedgrade! I think it's easier to imagine us using apps for their segment than the other way around. I doubt that Adobe will bend on the perp licenses but hopefully the CC pricing model will evolve along with the software.
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