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If you like the cloud, and it works for you, you don't need to be on this thread. Your comments are irrelevant.
Are you serious!. Very open minded of you to call anyones opinions "irrelevant".
Do you work for the government? 
We, and there are many of us (doesn't matter how much you try to ignore that fact), want Adobe to offer a perpetual license of it's software.
I know...we all know...we all heard you the first time and we understood!
You are far from being ignored in but the arguments are just "noise" due to the echo.
You call it just noise, yet here you are, reading it and responding to it.
Also I find it quite ironic how you say someone is close minded from calling opinions "irrelevant" while you yourself seem to have no issue calling them "noise".
By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying? Did you by any chance happen to read the news yesterday about them doing exactly that (gathering foreign business secrets and using them to benefit the US)? I'm sure the rest of the world will happily allow Adobe to access all their files after this! Embrace the cloud! 
By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying?
What data are you giving to Adobe ?
They have my email address, my password for the forums and software. They know my name, business address and phone number. They have my serial information.
They have no credit card details of mine.
They do have a record of the crap I spout around these parts which is worrying only to myself.
Cant think of anything there ... that would be of value to the NSA.
"Noise"...yep..I am part of the noise. Forums are a conversation and reading and responding is how that works.
I am largely here for the entertainment since the arguments have long since been exhausted.
FWIW - I have never argued for against the CC model and never tried tro convince anyone either way. ( I dont care ).
I do enjoy arguing the arguments those.
Andy Bay wrote:By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying? Did you by any chance happen to read the news yesterday about them doing exactly that (gathering foreign business secrets and using them to benefit the US)? I'm sure the rest of the world will happily allow Adobe to access all their files after this! Embrace the cloud!
On an OT note, if we can take any wisdom from the Snowden/Guardian revelations, it is to assume (as the nerds have said for years) absolutely anything and everything we do on a computer connected to a network can and probably is prone to scrutiny by a third party, whether it be a major government, crime syndicate, marketing body, whomever. CC or CS is irrelevant to this particular sidetrack.
No reason not to sleep at night, just something to be mindful of should, say hypothetically, the Tea Party ever take power in the US and start burning books and locking up liberals. For there are no conservatives in the media industry. (tongue firmly in cheek)
shooternz wrote:
As I said - Show me a postive CC thread from happy supporters as long as this thread is.
You certainly dig deep to make a desparate argument
This thread consists of mostly you and a few others in an echo chamber and could hardly be called a valid poll.
Not very deep, I don't even have to hit the dirt with the shovel - just a fact. People can't find one. You want a valid poll? You already know about the online petition against CC. This thread is still being discussed how long after CC's released? There are quite a few people in this thread beyond me and "a few others." When online articles popup about CC - scroll down to the comments section - again mostly negative.
And what if my car starts shooting arrows at the moon? Not to be disrespectful but I would comment that some of the Angry Anti-CC Crowd seem to be able to come up with amazing scenarios to try and get us who just work as-is to be Horrified and Trembling. Really now.
Adobe is a company, which is a group of humans working sort of mostly together on a really wide range of things. REALLY wide, in Adobe's sphere. Spheres.
Could they do something vile to their user-base down the road? Same as EVERY other company out there, yea. Will they? Same as nearly every other company out there, not too likely. If they do, we're adults, we'll deal with it. And move on. Horribilizing the future tends to make the present less ... productive. Being aware of a wide range of possible changes? Totally wise. Spending one's time horribilizing? Not so wise.
As so many others, most of my professional work involves moving files and processes and data forth and back between computers/users within our own facility, and also of course to specialist vendors or to the clients. All our computers need be "webbed" for actual daily use. We have a great system's pro to work our walls and protocols ... but ... as much and as easily as we have to inter-connect, there's possibilities for a talented hacker that oh well ... back up, keep changing settings, clone your system drives ... and get back to work.
My wife and I chuckle ... darkly, I might note ... at the comment we see every once in a while "Google is Skynet!" If you understand that comment, well ... perhaps. (If you don't, google "skynet" 
) Still, we have some things run through Google's ubiquitous apps. Do we trust Google? Um ... not really. But we get our work done.
And we do prefer having a ton more software tools available to us for about what we were paying annually before. And also like the small monthly payment rather than writing big chunks every now and then. So ... what's the change meant to us? More software available, small predictable monthy payments, no more out-the-door expenses over all. That's it, sum and total. Oh, and they update the product more often.
But then, we're used to paying subscription-servicing/pricing models to software vendors. Several of the other companies we deal with are totally subscription also. Can you believe it, our FINANCIAL management software is subscription! Just think of the HORRIBLE things they could do to us! 
Neil
R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Just think of the HORRIBLE things they could do to us!
Neil
Time will tell won't it..... When a company takes away choice after proudly using it in their advertising a few years ago....
When a company casts aside a portion of their customer base and ignores their business $ there is little doubt for many they could do it again on another issue...
My ... the humor of this thread keeps going on and on.
Oh, yea, I'm SO worried my marketing secrets are SO important they'll be shared by the NSA! You can't really be serious about that comment? Scratch that ..." paranoia strikes deep ... into the heart it will creep ... "
All our computers are on our internal network so we don't have to hand-carry drives back and forth, and have quick usage of material. We don't have spare computers lying around. And all of us here use the web as a standard part of our working life ... calendars, email, client contacts, you name it. So ... yes, I find the whole idea of TERRIBLE FEAR OF ... others ... rather humorous. We back up, we clone, we have good "walls" and protocols. And we just work. And if you can figure out how anything here is useful to the NSA I'll laugh myself silly. Nothing we do is all that earth-shaking.
Do understand, I'm NOT a fan of the sort of data-probing they've clearly done.
And the whole thing about "But you don't know what they'll (Adobe) be charging in future years!" is such a pile of bunk. YOU don't know what the per-license for anything YOU'VE got will be in several years. And I'll be able to migrate away from Adobe just as easily as you any time I choose. Silly argument.
And the "if you love subscriptions so much ... " comment ... really now. I hope you are capable of better rhetorical arguments than that. Why do you insist on bringing emotions into it? I didn't say anything whatever ... nor imply anything ... that I had ANY emotional attachment to ANY kind of purchase/delivery model. You apparently are rather unaware of how many people do thoroughly enjoy renting or leasing apartments, houses, and cars. By preference, after having also owned the same. I've rented, owned, and leased all kinds of things. Somehow, I've survived! Amazing, that ... really!
Good criminy, "subscription" services of all kinds of services and products have been used for centuries. So flipping WHAT?! If the product or service works fine for someone that way, either as vendor or client, GREAT. If not ... GREAT. Why do you have such a strong emotional reaction to subscrption models? It certainly can be a preference for certain things one way or the other but to take this to the extreme you seem to is rather ... well ... extreme.
And whether or not Adobe thinks they have a monopoly ... they don't. If at some point I don't appreciate their products/services/support as much as someone else's, I'll have the same ability to choose to go elsewhere as you or any other human. You seem to insist that Adobe will have some what ... thought control? ... blackmail threat? ... something? ... to compel me and others to simply quiver in fear and pay any exorbitant fee they come up with, and accept any proviso they demand, without any recourse to any other option. Wow, just bizarre. I do find your clear assumption that you've got the FUTURE spelled out so much better than anyone that doesn't agree with you rather insulting to the intelligence and character of all those who don't choose your line of ... reating. I DON'T have a crystal ball, and don't feel a need for one. When any company I deal with changes the "deal", I make decisions and roll with it.
I'm not stupid, vapid, or a dependent child, nor intimidated by anyone. But I do find the whole tenor of this thread funny. Or I wouldn't be bothering with it. I'm certainly not intimidated by the level of reasoning in the arguments here. Living one's life in such fear ... well, it does seem sad, after a while.
Neil
coroner ...
"When a company casts aside a portion of their customer base and ignores their business $ there is little doubt for many they could do it again on another issue..."
Companies are not entities in and of themselves. They are ... get this! HUMANS. Who yes, could choose to do any durn thing they like at any time. Go figure, huh? The same as ... oh yea, any other group of humans. Wow.
Over the last 50 year as I've watched the world go by (not counting the first ten, though even they I was more aware of "the world" than most of my peers) I've noted many companies change their product lines, identities, delivery models, pricing structures, let go of chunks of user-base to go after other segments of potential markets, any blame thing you can think of. Sometimes it's worked out well, sometimes not so much. So ... again ... in what possible way is what Adobe is doing different than any other company I've EVER seen? Oh ... that would be ... nothing.
They've made decisions as to how to deliver their product, pricing, and what sort of client-base is their "ideal client", just like any and EVERY other company. Just as my company has done numerous times over the last 35 years. You know, when I first started as a portrait photographer, my prices were rather low. I got better at it, better at looking at the books, and realized I needed to up my prices a CHUNK to make a living. Did some previous clients feel ... dis-enfranchised, perhaps? Oh, heck yea. But you know, the newer ones paid the higher prices and were actually much more positive about appreciating my services than the ol' compainers ever had been.
You could easily say I threw away a good chunk of my users. Dang straight, I sure did. Made a temporary dip in the income stream also. But resulted in a much better income stream down the road. Been through this a couple times since. Decided we needed a change in model or pricing structure, or a change in the market we were pursuing.
You must be totally horrified about this. And yea, I could do this at any time to my current clients, couldn't I? Oh ... oops ... I'm adding video capabilities into my product/service list. I'm doing it again!
If ... as you seem SO certain of and horrified about ... Adobe's bottom-line profits dip for a bit, what in the world is it of concern to you? You clearly are shouting you hate them ... the evil money-grubbing secret-stealing hacks! So, I'd think you'd be thrilled to sit back and chuckle about their imminent demise. You KNOW this model can't work and is going to break them.
Or are you really afraid it's going to work out just fine in the end for them? Either way, it will be more amusing to me to listen to the worries, frights, and concerns of the folks screaming of the horrors of the cloud than about anything else out there.
Because no matter what Adobe decides to do at any time, I and the others choosing to utilize their products will always have our own options separate from Adobe. Just as you do. Wow. Did you know there are alternate programs for every single one of the video related programs they have? That many top-line pros actually ... I know this may be a shock ... don't even USE Adobe software.
Go figure ...
Neil
You want a valid poll? You already know about the online petition against CC. This thread is still being discussed how long after CC's released? There are quite a few people in this thread beyond me and "a few others." When online articles popup about CC - scroll down to the comments section - again mostly negative.
Of course.
If you hang out at the monkeys cage...you will find lots of monkeys. If you hang out at in the eagles cage..you will find eagles.
Living one's life in such fear ... well, it does seem sad, after a while.
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