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CS5.5 Gripes/CS6 Wish List (from the perspective of an FCP switcher)

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Jan 11, 2012 Jan 11, 2012

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I have been a Final Cut Pro user for more than 10 years (starting with version 1.2 on a 500 MHz G4).  Final Cut Pro X is a disaster, but that’s a well-covered topic for a different forum.  After experimenting with Premiere Pro CS5.5 for a few months, I am ready to make the switch for all of my future projects.

I make a living editing video.  I don’t, however, work for a big company, and I don’t have a lot of money to spend on third-party software or hardware.  Much of my work is shot on DSLRs and delivered online.  That may put me in the category of “pro-sumer” to some, but I wouldn’t be making the switch if I didn’t require a more professional alternative to FCPX to do my job.

I also don’t think “pro” has to be synonymous with clunky and ugly.  (I’m looking at you, Avid.)  When Final Cut was young, it was fun, intuitive, and sturdy.  It became a robust, professional NLE over time.  I think Premiere Pro is on that path now.

I like the look, the feel, and the functionality of CS5.5.  It’s not quite Apple-slick, but it’s very much at home on a Mac.  Overall, it’s an upgrade to FCP7 and a very strong alternative to FCPX.  I have high hopes for CS6.

But this is not a comprehensive review.  It is just a list of negatives:  my gripes, wishes, and personal preferences.  My list of positives would be much longer, but my concern right now is with CS6 and the improvements that I hope it delivers.  As I am new to Premiere, it's quite possible that I am mistaken about certain functionalities or lack thereof, but I thoroughly researched each point in the help docs and forums before posting this.

My primary system is a 3.2 GHz iMac 21” (2010) with 8 GB RAM, 512MB VRAM (ATI Radeon HD), running Mac OS X 10.7 with external Firewire 800 drives and a DisplayPort-to-HDMI external display.

MAJOR ISSUES

Hardware acceleration support for ATI GPUs

There are rumors that Apple will be switching back to nVidia, but all recent iMacs have ATI and only ATI cards.

Background rendering (or at least improved rendering options)

Background rendering is probably FCPX’s most impressive feature and Adobe needs to catch up.  However, even if true background rending can’t be achieved, there should be an auto-render option (after a set idle time), partial rendering (if you cancel a render, keep everything that has been rendered up until that point), and more render options (e.g. render all and render selected). Regarding that last point, I think the whole work area concept should be dropped.  It makes sense for other apps, particularly for animation, but it just gets in the way of more important timeline functions while offering little functionality beyond being a clumsy way to control the area to be rendered.  At the very least, have a way to hide it.

Full-screen preview

Maximizing the program frame just isn’t the same (although the grave accent key function may be reason enough to switch to Premiere).  Full-screen preview isn’t just a nifty function for demo-ing sequences.  It’s a big part of the way I work.

DisplayPort/Thunderbolt out to HDMI

It may be that a third-party card is required for proper color correction on an external display, but there’s no reason this feature shouldn’t exist.

Thumbnail images/show frames bug

This one drives me crazy. I’ve tested this on 3 different Mac systems with various hardware configurations. Thumbnail images in the bins and frame images in the timeline seem to be recreated every time a project is opened, even though the thumbnail image files in the media cache folder don’t actually appear to get rewritten. It’s as if there is no cache at all (even for the most recently viewed bins and timelines segments).  It can’t be an intentional functionality for saving hard drive space because the cache files continue to take up more and more space.

Open multiple projects simultaneously

I know that you can cut and paste between projects but being able to open multiple projects at the same time is a very useful feature of FCP7.

Magic Mouse/Magic Trackpad scrolling

Premiere Pro is a cross-platform system and impressively so, but there need to be a few Mac-specific interface adjustments, the most important of which is support for the Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad scrolling.  I use a Magic Mouse.  (It’s an irritating device sometimes, but once you get used to it, it’s hard to live without it.)  When I’m in a window, I expect a flick up or down to scroll up or down -- in every situation, every time, including the timeline.  Unless I stop using all other Mac apps, I will never get accustomed to the timeline suddenly flying left or right when I want to scroll up or down. Also, here’s a chance for Adobe to fix a problem that FCP7 shared:  When you scroll up or down in the effect control window using the mouse, the drop-down effect controls sometimes twirl all over the place if the mouse happens to float over them. As it is, it very easy to throw settings into random disarray without even realizing it just by scrolling through the pane.

The timeline:  selection indication, icons, and general improvements

It is very difficult to discern at a glance what, if anything, is selected in the timeline. Transitions always look selected!  Audio tracks should be a different color or otherwise more distinct. There should be an option to show frames only without any text. The icons for track options are small, crowded, and ugly.  Some of the editing icons are too similar, namely edit and ripple edit, although the excellent status bar at the bottom of the application goes a long way towards making up for this.  Simply put, the timeline could use some polish.  Don’t be afraid to steal from Apple on this one.  Keep the tracks; just make it easier on the eyes!

Conforming audio

The ability of CS5.5 to work natively with DSLR footage is awesome, but it’s not fully DSLR native if it has to pre-render a major component of the footage before it can play, even if it’s just the audio.

Media loading

When launching a project, it can take a long time for all the media in the project to “load” as tracked in the status bar.  I’m sure there’s a reason for this, but since the program is able to determine which source media files are missing before this step (and gives you the option to reconnect them), what is it doing and why must it load every clip in the project, even those not in use by any sequences?

Page up/page down and arrow key commands

For starters, the current page up/page down key functions should take the CTI to the next cut in the sequence, not the next cut in the track that happens to be targeted, which can be way down timeline.  In FCP7, I frequently navigated cut to cut with the up and down arrow keys.  I’ve avoided customizing the keyboard commands to match FCP7 --  I would rather endure some hardship and learn the proper Adobe commands -- but this one is flat-out backwards.  The page up/down keys should page through the timeline (left to right and right to left), while the up and down arrow keys should take over the clip to clip function (assuming the targeted track issue is fixed).  Currently, the down arrow takes you to the very end of the timeline, a function already duplicated by and better suited for the “end” key.

Bin management and clip relationships

Deleting an item from a bin should not delete it from the timeline, but this is part of a bigger problem, which is the whole master file versus instance versus subclip versus dup clip thing. There aren’t any good indicators regarding the relationships of these clips, and there are few ways to adjust them.  If clips are going to be connected, then they should be fully connected.  For instance, changing the name of a clip in the bin should change it in the timeline.  Adding an effect or trimming should affect the corresponding clips between bin and timeline.  Otherwise, the clips should just be completely separate instances.  I haven’t been able to find an option to turn a clip into an independent instance, although I have to think it exists.  Also, editing an instance of a title does change every other instance of that title throughout the sequence.  I would prefer to be able to edit them separately without having to duplicate them in the title editor.

Bin effects

Related to the above, it should be possible to add effects to clips in bins or keep effects on clips added to bin from timeline.  It would also be nice to be able to group effects together in bins for a specific project.  The effects window is better suited for global collections.

Clearer visual indicators that a clip has been adjusted in the effect controls panel

Even with the effects panel visible, you have to take a close look to see if there have been any adjustments to the standard settings. An indicator on the clip in the timeline itself would be useful.

Snapping should include the CTI

It should also include the blade tool, although the Cmd-K option to cut at the CTI position does make this less of an issue.

Smoother scrubbing

Scrubbing is pretty awful.  While this is understandable with native footage, FCPX somehow manages to make this silky smooth at full resolution.

Color correction shape mask and better color correction in general

Simplify the primary functions of the 3-way color correction effect.  Keep all the rarely used adjustments out of the way.  I use Magic Bullet for some purpose, but I’ve always done most of my color correction within FCP.  Put the most common adjustments front and center (or up top, as it may be).  The highlights/mid-tone/shadows drop-down is inconsistent in what controls it pertains to.

FCPX’s color correction is actually one of its more underrated features.  The way it allows you to layer corrections is dead-simple yet as powerful as anything in FCP7 or Premiere.  Stick with the 3 wheels, but rely less on hard to control tonal ranges and add simple keyframe-able shape masks for secondary color correction.

Better support for shared media access

AVID is king in this arena and Adobe needs to improve.  It should be possible for multiple editors to safely work on the same project files and share media over a server.

MINOR ISSUES

More vertically compact playback/edit control area in source and program panes

Make room for either a taller timeline or bigger previews.  The virtual scrubber and shuttle controls are the nifty things you drag with the mouse the first time you ever use an NLE and never touch again.

Larger icons in icon view

Remember size and position of bin windows

Playback resolution setting indicator

There should be an always-visible indicator of the playback res setting in the preview pane that’s easy to adjust without right-clicking.

Better markers for sequences and clips

Include colors and more keyboard shortcut control.

Clip sliding with keyboard commands

“Opt-,” (that’s Option-comma) should cause a clip collision, not overwrite.  Either that, or “,” and “.” should slide, while “Opt-,” should overwrite.  Opt-arrow should only extend an adjoining clip if in the middle of two clips.  Basically, this whole arrangement should be re-thought.

Project browser should auto refresh/sort.

Option-drag on a Mac should always be copy, not move.

Copy is currently command-drag in the project browser.

Stop auto-save from interrupting adjustments in timeline.

Ideally, the auto-save should just be a background function, but it should at least wait until you’re not in the middle of dragging something.

Add ability to select a cut directly and add default transition.

CTI control

If you move the CTI while it’s in play mode, it should continue to play from that spot after you release the mouse, not stop there.

Show number of frames being adjusted during keyframe adjustments.

Enable/disable specific effect parameters/keyframes.

Clearing an effect should clear keyframes as well.

Or have an option to clear both.

Position controls

There should be a preference to make the default position 0.0 x 0.0 (as opposed to 50% of whatever the resolution happens to be), and include a reset button.

Through-edit indicator in timeline

And a quick way to join clips, such as a right-click menu option.

Border controls for images

Auto save location preference and functionality

In FCP7 I set the number of auto saves to keep to the maximum of 100 and Premiere can go even higher.  I have always used this feature as an additional backup and archive system, which has come in very handy.  Those files add up, however.  So, I prefer to auto-save to an external drive.  Also, auto saves in Premiere continue to occur whenever there are unsaved changes.  This means that if you make a small adjustment and then leave Premiere for a while, it will keep auto saving the same iteration, which is not only inefficient but leads to my next point….

Tame the bouncing dock icon on auto save

While using other apps, there’s no need for the dock icon to bounce every time Premiere performs an auto save.

More/clearer control over cache locations

There should also be an option to reset the cache/render file locations to their defaults.

Export source range

When exporting, remember the last-used setting of the export source range (or just dump the whole work area thing as I previously suggested).  It’s too easy to cut off a portion of the video when the export defaults back to the work area every time.

Larger timecode display

After spending hours and hours editing, the current timecode for clips and sequences is something you want to be able to track without squinting.  Use the letters h,m,s and f instead of colons.

Simple slug

Creating a black matte works okay, but it involves a few extra steps.

Snapping toggle

FCP allows you to quickly toggle snapping while dragging a clip.  Upon releasing the clip, the snap toggle returns to its original state.  Premiere could use this fucntion, but I suggest something simpler.  Holding down the “S” key should always turn snapping on regardless of toggle state, while releasing it returns it to however it was set before.

Ability to dock the audio meters along top

I like to give my timeline as much horizontal space as possible.  I’ve noticed a lot of users keep the toolbar up there, myself included.  I think it would be a good place horizontally aligned audio meters as well.

More detailed tool tips or hover explanations in preferences

For example:  The options regarding XMP data should make it clear that the original files will be modified by Premiere.  This caused me problems in other applications.  (After researching these settings, I understand that various Adobe applications use this information to share resources, but it’s still very unclear what the specific benefits are or what functions are lost without this option.)

More detailed support documents

The online support documents on the Adobe site very good.  They are nicely arranged and easy to search, but they could be more detailed and offer fuller explanations.  (Peruse the support forums and you will discover all kinds of debates that could have been easily cleared up with one concise line in a help document.)

Icons and button design

Icons and buttons are often too small, too similar, and too crowded throughout the interface.  Take some style tips from Apple on this one.

NEW FEATURE WISH LIST

Footage auto-analysis:  shot recognition, color correction, and color match

If only Apple had just added these features and others to the FCP7 framework.  Adobe can do it better though, by using smart folders in addition to the traditional bins that we know and trust (anything besides those dreadful iMovie-style “events”).

Effect previews

In the 64-bit era, there has to be a quicker way to preview effects.

Ability to render in alternate formats

Namely ProRes or DNxHD.  This would save me considerable time on exports by allowing me to select the “use preview files” option.

PluralEyes functionality

Okay, I suppose I should just purchase PluralEyes...again.

Many, many more effects!

How about starting with the missing vignette effect?  Just because an app is “pro” doesn’t mean you should have to custom build every effect.

Many, many more looks!

Will most of them be cheesy looks I would never touch?  Sure...but give me some templates to play with before I tweak the look down to my exact specifications.

More speed!

FCPX, for all its flaws, blazes on any modern Mac.  This probably comes back to hardware acceleration, but while Premiere Pro on a Mac isn’t slow, it doesn’t blow you away.

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May 16, 2012 May 16, 2012

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Agreed

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LEGEND ,
May 16, 2012 May 16, 2012

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What about creating a Style, with the Font, Font Size, and all Attributes, and setting that as the Default?

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Community Beginner ,
May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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I think many of agree, that Adobe PPro has not got everything and may not be the same as FCPro, it has holes, somthings work better in FCP than in Adobe and vice a versa,  this goes for many other NLE packages on the market. What are your chioces?  There is a wish list somwhere on this forum, send what you feel needs to be changed, in the last 3 yrs Adobe has listened to the user base now even more, in the next version PProcs7? we will see, I think more FCP and Avid features. I am perpared to bear the irrations and work arounds if there is improvments and which there has been every time a new version comes or maybe you go back to what ? FCPro or FCPX.

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Enthusiast ,
May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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redone5623 wrote:

There are more things I find missing from Premiere Pro every day that now have me understanding why it did not compete with FCP for so long. One thing that drives me nuts is I can not change the default font in titler. It takes the top font in the font folder and uses that. I pump out nearly 15 videos a day that require the same font type. I get excuses and work arounds that tie me up almost as long as having to type in the new font. Adobe EDITORS NEED TO BE ABLE TO CHAGE DEFAULT FONTS!

In the titler, you can create a new style, and move it up to the top of the list. It's not going to make it the default font, but it's still pretty simple. Type your text, then click the style swatch.

Drop shadows, fill colors, gradient styles, strokes, tracking....all right there in the style swatch. Much more robust than simply selecting a default font for each project, and just requires a single click on the swatch for each new title.

You can also do a new title based on current....so if you've got a bunch of lower 3rd titles that need to have 5 or six elements remain, and 2 lines of text each with their own style, you can use the "New Based on Current" option (which I do all the time) or you can use your style swatches.

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Community Beginner ,
May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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or you would do the titels in AE or PS and import it into  , a default font is the a small thing to worrie about.

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Participant ,
May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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Anthony Abegglen wrote:

a default font is the a small thing to worrie about.

Nothing is too small to worry about if it disrupts your workflow multiple times, or perhaps hundreds of times a day, as may be the case with redone5623 and this particular issue. It would be logical to default to the last used font settings with the ability to reset all. That would be more in line with Photoshop and other Adobe products.

I think the style suggestion is helpful.

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Why is it that the drop-down lists in Premiere CS5.5 react to hovering+mousewheel only in one direction when the palette is not active ? yes, it reacts if you scroll inadvertently on a dropdown list (like, when you wanted to scroll the palette) but if you want to change it back to what it was, you either have to click and choose, or make the palette active (?!) then you can mousewheel it back to the previous state.

The eyedropper simply doesn't work. I've tried it on both CS5 and CS5.5 and it doesn't work at all. It picks a shade of grey when I'm hovering on some color. I can pick a source color with the selector, do the same with the destination color, and it will be replaced. But I think the eyedropper is broken because it can actually sample elements of the interface (!!?. Like those yellow values, or the grey of the palettes.

WTF ?

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May 17, 2012 May 17, 2012

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If you're having trouble with eyedroppers, install the latest updates. Lion broke how eyedroppers work, and we issued a bug-fix update for Premiere Pro CS5.5 to fix it.

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reminder:

You can submit feature requests and bug reports here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

The Premiere Pro team will not necessarily see feedback on this forum thread, but every bug report and feature request made through the official form is logged, tallied, and considered.

(more on feedback for Premiere Pro: http://adobe.ly/q6pEBy )

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May 16, 2012 May 16, 2012

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Also being able to name markers in the viewer and being able to turn markers into sub clips. Also being able to export marker list.

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May 16, 2012 May 16, 2012

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And the ability to import markers too, which is a feature that was strangely omitted from FCP.

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Jul 14, 2012 Jul 14, 2012

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The problem I have with the title editor function in CS6 is that Adobe has now made it too small to see with no apparent way to make the preview screen larger. When the font is the correct size for the title, it's all but unreadable in the preview window. It was just fine in the previous version. Hey, Adboe, not all of us work on twin 40 inch monitors. A patch/update to make it possible to resize the title editing box would be nice... unless I missed something somewhere.

I have several other disappointments with CS6 but I'll start with this one.

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LEGEND ,
Jul 14, 2012 Jul 14, 2012

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One of the common Feature Requests has been a Magnifier for Titler. Now, it's not just the type, but the whole viewing screen that needs magnification.

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Jul 14, 2012 Jul 14, 2012

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Absolutely! It should be resizable like the clip and program monitor screens.

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LEGEND ,
Jul 14, 2012 Jul 14, 2012

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As it is really a sub-app, that is called from PrPro, there could be problems with the code, but then one would think that it could be scalable, and also have the Magnifier from many other Adobe programs, like PS.

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Jul 14, 2012 Jul 14, 2012

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You can enlarge the Title Work Space in PPRO Titler simply by dragging the edges. Basic Windows function for all windows and panes.  (Not sure how Mac handles that though)

One can also enlarge the whole Titler WINDOW Space..to give more room to enlarge the workspace.

With a two monitor set up...the Titler also plays out to second monitor full screen no matter what size it is on the GUI.  This is probably the most ideal way to seriously work on grafix

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Jul 15, 2012 Jul 15, 2012

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Dragging the edge makes the frame of the over all work area larger but it does nothing for the screen text view. It was just fine for CS3, CS4 and CS5 (I haven't checked CS5.5). They should have just left it alone.

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They did leave it alone...

You must be doing something weird  or you have customised it somehow...because in CS6 it works exactly how it always has.

As Jim and I have pointed out...drag the edges of the Titler Workspace.

If you want it larger than that...drag the overal work area (Window) first.

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It should be resizable like the clip and program monitor screens.

Ummm...it is.  Just grab the edges and drag, like any other window.

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Sep 26, 2012 Sep 26, 2012

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I finally had a chance to compile the notes that I've been keeping regarding CS6 as I've continued to work in Premiere over the last several months.

Given the breadth of my updated article, I have posted it on my blog rather than in the forums: Adobe Premiere Pro for Mac CS6 Gripes/CS6.5 Wish List

I intend to ask for advice regarding some specific issues here in the forums as well.

And yes, I have submitted my requests through the feature request form.

I do want to thank everyone who responded in this thread. It was very helpful. The active community that surrounds Adobe Premiere is one of the most exciting things about it.

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