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‎Aug 19, 2017
11:00 AM
2 Upvotes
john, the old rule of intel only for adobe is dead. amd's new cpu's received a major redesign and work fine with adobe software.
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‎Aug 07, 2017
09:45 AM
meh, unbalanced with the gtx 1070. a budget 4-core intel pc should cost closer to $1k. if 8th gen intel rumors are true, it will make this 4-core system look bad at that price. for that same price there are dell and hp computers with 8 core amd ryzen and gtx 1060 or rx 580.
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‎Aug 05, 2017
02:16 PM
the second slot should run at x8 and should run a x4 m.2 at full speed. it would force the video card to x8, which might have a performance impact on cards like a gtx 1080 or above.
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‎Aug 05, 2017
01:55 PM
amd ryzen on x370 and intel on z270 are able to run 1 video card at x16, or two video cards at x8/x8, or 1 video card and whatever else you may need like a raid card etc. amd will run the m.2 slot from cpu pcie lanes on the motherboard, while intel m.2 slots will use chipset pcie lanes. both mainstream platforms are sufficient for what most people need. amd and intel high end platforms can support 3-4 video cards or a mix of various cards. if you were going to add a sound card or other misc x1-x4 card it should be fine in a slot using chipset pcie lanes, or an external usb audio interface if you are after high quality audio.
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‎Aug 04, 2017
07:56 PM
usually not necessary. raid-0 may be faster in a couple tasks/functions, but overall a single ssd will perform similarly. scratch and media cache files aren't critical, like project or video/media files, so the extra risk of raid-0 doesn't matter for those files.
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‎Aug 04, 2017
07:30 PM
its ok to use raid-0 for scratch/cache drives. common size for that drive is typically 256gb-500gb.
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‎Aug 04, 2017
07:27 PM
take out the old one, otherwise premiere will try to use both and you may still get errors/problems. also, if both were being used the gtx 760 would slow down the gtx 1080.
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‎Aug 04, 2017
08:22 AM
So generally speaking, a higher-end AMD Ryzen can be expected to perform solidly if not pushed with difficult 4K or higher projects? yes. the various acticles on puget's site as trevor pointed out can help show specifics of what ryzen can handle. I get the impression that if you're working with 1080 HD, probably any decent Ryzen or i7 would handle the job? HD timelines in premiere and AE typically top out around 4 cpu cores. the amd ryzen 6 core cpu is a good budget and value option that will handle HD and some 4k. the amd ryzen 8 core would be better for 4k and could better handle background rendering. if you wanted an intel i7, you might wait a while till intel releases their 8th gen desktop lineup with 6 core cpu's (which previously topped at 4 core cpu's).
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‎Aug 03, 2017
06:31 PM
many people are using amd ryzen just fine, so the old "intel only" rule is gone. right now its amd for value, intel for top performance. amd is still slightly slower at around 10-20% vs its intel counterpart, but often costs much less. off the shelf computers may not reflect those prices as intel plays dirty with pc vendors like hp and dell to undermine amd.
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‎Aug 03, 2017
04:30 PM
RjL190365 wrote And what I stated earlier is a little misleading, especially the part where I suggested such an expensive dedicated system. It does not have to cost that much, but what I had previously stated assumes that one's NLE decompresses and recompresses video on the fly for editing. This, even at it's most active, does need a disk that's somewhat faster than what such decompressed footage requires. (This means that for 1080p HD video that's decompressed in such a manner, a SATA III SSD at a minimum would have been needed to edit comfortably.) this all sounds wrong, why would an nle recompress video for/while editing?
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‎Aug 02, 2017
07:30 PM
1 Upvote
i think you are overestimating the needs for playback of the listed footage, and underestimating what raid-0 with 2 or 3 hdd's can do. we have had people previously post here that they were editing red on a single hdd, and there is even a puget article that lists a single slow 5400rpm hdd as capable of 4 streams of red. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimization-854/#MultistreamPlayback 1.3 gb/s for the z97 pch is still plenty to handle multiple hdd's in raid-0. also the OP listed a ryzen x370 motherboard, so it should have even more total bandwidth available. you also suggest the OP will need a system possibly costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the ssd's alone would cost more than a house, are you on drugs or what?
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‎Aug 01, 2017
08:25 AM
1 Upvote
the reason is, it costs money. its easier/cheaper for adobe to release unfinished/buggy software to paying customers and let them be unwitting software testers and report problems.
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‎Jul 28, 2017
03:26 PM
1 Upvote
a gtx 1050 2gb would be a good match to the intel i5 you list. the gtx 1050 ti 4gb is slightly faster and has more ram to help if attempting 4k.
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‎Jul 28, 2017
03:05 PM
1 Upvote
premiere works differently than AE, maya, and other software, so be careful chasing premiere performance advice/guides if you are using other software. AE (and i think Maya) often only use 2-4 cpu cores, while premiere and some other software can use more. if AE and maya are your primary programs then you might focus on upgrading the current computer by adding some sata ssd's for an os drive, scratch drive, and media/projects drive, and more ram to at least 32gb. its likely the computer could also run a pcie m.2 ssd with a pcie adapter if you wanted to go that route. if you wanted to increase the cpu performance the newer intel i7 4 core cpu's have higher clock speeds, 4.2ghz base and 4.5ghz turbo. which will make them around 10-20% faster, but also require a new computer or motherboard (and one capable of running two video cards). 6-8 core cpu's can offer more performance in some software like premiere, but those cpu's also have lower clock speeds which will hurt performance in software like AE, photoshop, etc. i would have the IT dept look over the computer to see if they can find out why its locking up and crashing. if they don't find anything wrong, then you might ask them to do a clean install of windows or revert to factory state. which might fix software issues but you would also have to reinstall your software. you would also need backups of your files before they do that.
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‎Jul 25, 2017
10:28 AM
adobe hasn't updated their system requirements page, so it only lists old cards. however adobe has said any video card with 1gb of memory or more should work, and folks have been using newer cards fine. i would stick with the gtx 900 or 1000 series vs the older gtx 700. the newer cards will have a longer lifespan before nvidia retires them for a forced upgrade to sell more cards. inventory on mid to high tier cards is currently low and often overpriced, so it might be difficult to find something new at a reasonable price other than the gtx 1050 ti. some gtx 1060 3gb cards are selling for ok prices near $220 and would be ok for HD as well, while the extra memory on the gtx 1060 6gb version would be better if attempting 4k. MacVideoCards also appears to be limited on inventory as several cards are listed out of stock. as far as overall performance goes, using prores codec/media might help. if you end up with a more powerful video card like the gtx 970 or gtx 1060 then you could also try transcoding to cineform as its suppose to tap into the gpu to help with performance.
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‎Jul 24, 2017
01:12 PM
1 Upvote
a faster gpu can help if performance takes a dive after adding gpu accelerated fx, like lumetri color. a gtx 960 4gb or gtx 1050 ti 4gb would be decent performance options for HD and entry 4k. the gtx 960 or 970 might be slightly better for OS compatibility as the gtx 1000 series mac driver was just released, but the gtx 900 series is older and might have to be purchased used. i'm not sure which cards would be best for compatibility with the mac pro 3,1 and the OS version you have, so you might want to check on mac specific forums for compatibility. i think all gtx 960's and 970's will require a pcie power cable or possibly two, but i think some of the gtx 1050 ti's do not. if your computer doesn't have a pcie power cable already, you would need to purchase one or look for a gtx 1050 ti that doesn't need one.
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‎Jul 20, 2017
10:27 AM
adobe staff typically doesn't respond here with detailed info, so i wouldn't expect any help from them. the amd 500 series is based off the same tech as 400 series, which has been working ok for the most part. this youtube video compares the new imac vs older model, and shows the radeon 580 working fine. perhaps more interesting is how far behind premiere is in performance vs the other software. adobe takes a while to copy features from other NLE's and software, so eventually they might implement the same features and catch up some performance ground.
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‎Jul 19, 2017
10:00 AM
How do the 1050's actually do, with all that minimalist ... stuff? if you go that route, make sure its the gtx 1050 TI 4gb version as RJL suggested, which is comparable to the gtx 960. it would be ok for lite 4k fx/lumetri and generally recommended to pair with a 4-core cpu. at around $140-150 it could be a decent option to save costs, as long as you are fine sticking with the gtx 970 in your main rig. (And I have looked at some 1080's also ... but would rather not chunk the $780 or so at the moment ... ) those are gtx 1080 TI prices. i'm talkin about the non-ti version, just gtx 1080, some of which are going for $550-$600. those prices are still expensive, but the gtx 1080 is also a decent step up in performance from the gtx 1070 and better value than the gtx 1070's at nearly $500. i'm not sure what rumors trevor found for the gtx 1100's, but he might be speaking of the rumors bill were spreading. after i questioned bill on the source, bill agreed it was very likely false. unless trevor has something else to suggest a recent release schedule, i wouldn't count on new cards soon.
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‎Jul 18, 2017
08:04 PM
the gtx 1060's are suppose to be around $250. the gtx 1060 6gb is somewhat faster than the gtx 970, but if you were looking for a bigger upgrade then you may want to keep looking for a gtx 1070 or 1080. the gtx 1080's are suppose to be around $500 and might be easier to find near that price vs overpriced mid tier cards.
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‎Jul 18, 2017
07:08 PM
gtx 1070's are suppose to be about $350, so not really a good deal. zotac is also a questionable/bad brand, i would avoid them and stick with the big brands like asus, msi, gigabyte.
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‎Jul 16, 2017
04:45 AM
cache files are pretty small, so they should fit on the os drive too as long as its not full from other things like installed programs or misc storage. if you add one of your old laptop drives for misc storage it shouldn't be a problem. if you keep the nvme drive then i would recommend using it for the cache, otherwise if you use the sandisk 256gb or a samsung 850 for the os drive it might be slightly better to place the cache on the 480gb sandisk ssd with the projects and media. you could also go with a samsung 850 for os/apps, sandisk 256gb for cache, and sandisk 480gb for media.
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‎Jul 15, 2017
09:23 AM
i'm a fan of samsung ssd's. they have a reputation for lower failure rates, longer endurance, and faster performance vs most other ssd's on the market. the 850 series are the latest in their sata ssd lineup, and the 960 series are their m.2 lineup. capacity depends on the project and media. some projects will fit on a single 128gb ssd, and some projects need 10's of terabytes to hold all the media. typically 500gb-1tb is enough for most projects people do on these forums, but you might check with your son to see if he knows how much space his projects might take up. the drive setup examples i would give would mostly match what i listed above. it depends if you are going to keep the 256gb samsung 960 m.2 or could return it or exchange it for something else. if you are going to keep the 256gb samsung m.2 as the os/apps drive, then you could use your sandisk 480gb ssd for media/previews. if you are going to return the samsung m.2, then you could use your sandisk ssd's like example #3 above, or get a larger samsung m.2 and go with example #1 above for possibly slightly better performance.
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‎Jul 15, 2017
07:16 AM
the guy building the PC for my son is a very knowledgeable guy and i originally had a 256gb SSD for the OS and Apps, but he told me to spend the extra $30 on the NVMe drive, which to be hones i was not sure why, but i did it anyway, as he built his own 1800X PC recently and also has an NVMe drive for the OS and Apps.... most applications default their cache and other misc files to the os drive. so it can be simpler to keep them there and avoid changing multiple settings in several programs. using the super fast m.2 drive as the os drive in that situation can sometimes give a small performance boost in some programs to help with running os/apps/cache etc on one drive. the motherboard you picked only supports one superfast m.2 ssd, so you need to be using it in a way to get the most out of that drive, which again is media and cache. those samsung 960's are so fast that its even possible to use one drive for everything, as long as it all fits. I also read Matt Bach's comment about not needing an SSD for Exports, and that a normal Hdd will be fine, and the Source/Project files should be on at least a 500gb SSD. exports are typically limited by the cpu and or gpu having to process data. so a dedicated export drive typically isn't needed unless exporting out to very high bitrate formats like picture sequences or uncompressed. in some of those rare situations even a sata ssd isn't enough, but most people don't export to those formats. i'm not sure why he recommended at least a 500gb, other than capacity and possibly for speed. ssd's are typically faster as they increase in size, and 500gb ssd's are usually near the upper speeds. I also read somewhere to move Page files off the OS drive, and put that elsewhere, like on a 256gb SSD along with the Media Cache ??? so i am a bit confused. setting up the pagefile on another drive is something carried over from using hdd's and i wouldn't worry about it with an ssd. one of the regulars here, bill, has done some testing and found that os/apps/pagefile/cache on a sata ssd typically has very little impact on performance with premiere. Also, what is a "Scratch Disk" as a lot of people use this term ??? i think its a broad term and used in different programs for different meanings, but in general i would associate a scratch disk to a cache and/or preview disk. in premiere, the project settings actually has a tab named scratch disks. in that scratch disks tab it lists several locations for multiple functions, including captured video/audio, rendered previews, autosaves, and cc library downloads. I don't want him ringing me to tell me he is having issues and it turns out to be that 1060 6gb GPU, especially given the poor results in that Pugets Systems link i posted earlier, so i figure i may as well spend the extra $250 and get the 1070 8gb card. as i mentioned in your other post, its having less than 4gb of ram that could be a major show stopper. so the gtx 1060 gb is ok there as it has 6gb of ram. past that the gtx 1070 will handle more gpu based fx and color grading than the gtx 1060 before realtime playback suffers. if playback performance is bad enough, then rendering previews in premiere or cache in resolve can help, or with denoise fx its often best to disable them till ready to export. the puget article tests show the gtx 1060 performing ok in some results and poor in others, but you also have to remember that its paired with a 10-core intel cpu so the results will differ from the system you are building. if you are fine with spending the extra, i think the gtx 1070 is a good option for your build.
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‎Jul 15, 2017
05:42 AM
the gtx 1050 ti 4gb would be good for premiere and a 4-core laptop cpu. AE typically doesn't use the video card as much as premiere. i don't use Animate, but i would guess it also doesn't use the video card much as premiere, or might not even use it much at all. you might find the gtx 1050 non TI version in some laptops, which is slower but might still be fine as long as it has 4gb.
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‎Jul 15, 2017
05:36 AM
the dell seems to only offer a gtx 1050 4gb, while the razor offers the gtx 1060 6gb. the gtx 1050 TI version is the typical go to option for premiere and a 4-core laptop cpu, but the non TI version should still be ok for premiere and good for photoshop. the gtx 1060 6gb in the razor gets into overkill territory for a 4-core laptop cpu and might run up the price. i'm not sure about the difference in displays for the two laptops. a quick search and look at some reviews show positive things about both, and suggest both have high 99-100% srgb coverage. you may want to search for reviews on these laptops to see what they have to say about the displays and if any review finds something bad.
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‎Jul 15, 2017
04:57 AM
i'm the one from your previous post that tried talking you into ryzen, glad to see you went that way. New Editing PC for Premier gpu - it will depend on how how many and which gpu accelerated fx are being used and how much coloring is being done to determine how much benefit the video card will have. if using a few fx and lite color then a gtx 1060 gb may work fine. overall, i think the gtx 1070 would be a better match for the 8-core ryzen cpu and may benefit resolve more. ram - 16gb is a good minimum amount to have. ram is mostly used for caching playback frames and more ram can help buffer more frames. some do fine with 16gb, and some find more ram helps playback to be smoother. you have 4 ram slots on that motherboard, so you can start with 16gb and add more if needed. note: if you are building this computer yourself then you will need to set those speeds in the bios for the memory. the kit of memory you list is specifically tested for ryzen compatibility, but it shouldn't run at those speeds by default. first thing after building the system you should do a bios update, then adjust the memory and any other bios settings as needed. storage - the super fast nvme pcie m.2 ssd's will largely go to waste as an os/apps drive. once the computer is booted and the software launched, the os drive is mostly idle. using a sata ssd like one of your old sandisk ssd's would be a better option. if the projects are mostly short in length, then using a single 500gb m.2 for cache/projects/media is a decent option. otherwise for longer projects the m.2 drives can become expensive and its often cheaper use multiple sata ssd's, possibly in raid-0. typical index like cache files are very small, but rendered previews can start taking up some space. some m.2 drive setup options would look like this: Sandisk 256gb or 480gb SSD - os/apps/pagefile samsung 960 evo 500gb - database/cache/projects/media/previews or for large projects samsung 960 evo 500gb - os/apps/pagefile/database/cache/projects 2x 1tb or larger sata ssd - media/previews using what you already have could look like this: Sandisk 256gb SSD - os/apps/pagefile Sandisk 480gb SSD - database/cache/projects/media/previews
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‎Jul 09, 2017
11:51 AM
the alternative driver you are thinking of is probably ASIO ASIO4ALL - Universal ASIO Driver
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‎Jul 09, 2017
08:02 AM
the hyper-threading issue was supposedly fixed with motherboard bios updates a couple of months ago.
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‎Jul 08, 2017
08:39 PM
its kind of a long shot, but you could still try copying over just the premiere project file. if its a large file it might be faster for premiere to read thru it on the fast ssd. i think the warp stabilizer also makes the project file alot larger as it writes that tracking data to the project file, so doing that stuff last might be better for editing performance.
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‎Jul 08, 2017
07:42 PM
no answers huh... i hope you have more to say about your recommendations than "let's see what happens". talk about leaving someone out to hang... and your experience of using the step-up program is no guarantee that Neil's experience will also be good and he won't get one of the recent troubled evga cards. which yes, troubled models are listed on that evga step-up website. i think the trade in or step-up program has changed, it says its only for certain purchases within the last 90 days?
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