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P: Nikon Z6 RAW processing and Adobe WB

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LEGEND ,
Dec 13, 2018 Dec 13, 2018

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Nikon Z6 bugs only. Interestingly Nikon Z7 raw files don't have these issues. Nikon SDK for both cameras was released and updated on the same date, 18/11/18. Is Adobe Lightroom perhaps using Z7 SDK for Z6?

1) Nikon Z6 raw files are rendered incorrectly. Unlike Z7 the Z6 RAW presets do not carry over.
2) Adobe WB for Z6 is broken. WB Auto has a huge magenta cast, other Adobe WB presets have huge color shifts rendering files useless.
3) None of the Nikon Z-series lens corrections are correct. If lens correction is enabled the lenses are recognized as incorrect lens models.

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Mar 10, 2021 Mar 10, 2021
Greetings, This issue should be fixed in the Camera Raw 13.2 update that went live today. This update includes fixes to some of the top customer reported issues among other bug fixes. See: Fixed issues in Camera Raw   To update Camera Raw 13.2, click "Update" in the Creative Cloud desktop app next to Camera Raw. See: More detailed instructions for updating   Let us know how it goes. Thanks, Akash

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Adobe Employee ,
Dec 13, 2018 Dec 13, 2018

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Thank you for the reports James.  I've forwarded on to the Camera Raw team for review. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 15, 2018 Dec 15, 2018

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2) I can confirm that. The WB coeffs seem badly calibrated. The WB is correctly read but the tint is usually between -60 and -30. As a result, the presets and the auto WB are useless.
3) Not sure what is meant by OP. Mine are shown as "Intégré" (French). The corrections are good and cannot be unapplied (OK for me).
4) The camera standard profile do not properly match the camera jpegs (standard mode). It shifts the skin tones towards yellow way too much. Adobe Color is actually closer to the jpegs!
I was considering moving to LR from DXO but I am not sure now. Hope this gets resolved.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Dec 15, 2018 Dec 15, 2018

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I see similar (but not quite as large) negative tints needed on my Z7

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Adobe Employee ,
Dec 24, 2018 Dec 24, 2018

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Please see https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/white-balance-issue-color-cast-with-nikon-z-6-raw-file.html for a temporary workaround for this Z6 issue. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 24, 2018 Dec 24, 2018

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Thanks, this is much better. Tint is centered around 0.
However it doesn't fix the inaccuracies of camera standard which is slightly too yellow/green compared to the jpegs.

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 12, 2019 Feb 12, 2019

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Greetings

Updates to Lightroom Classic CC (8.2), Lightroom CC for desktop (2.2), Lightroom CC.Mobile (Android and iOS) were released on Monday, February 11, 2019. Please verify that your issue is fixed by the current update.

Thank you for your patience.
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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LEGEND ,
Feb 12, 2019 Feb 12, 2019

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Dear Rikk,

Thanks for paying close attention, as a user of LR since version 1 (beta), at that time using a Nikon D200, i appreciate the constant improvement of image quality. I have also recently switched to a Nikon Z 6 and happily report that the pink tint is gone since the v2 workaround.
Two questions remain:
1. Are the v2 camera profiles in LR 8.2 the same as those posted for the workaround? Is there any action needed after updating to LR 8.2?
2. I noticed/i think that the built-in lens profiles are not up to the same high standard of quality i came to expect from the LR provided lens profiles for previous Nikon F-mount lenses. Has this been tested?

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 13, 2019 Feb 13, 2019

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Re Item 1 - The V2 Profiles shipping in 8.2 are the same profiles as released in the workaround.
Re Item 2 - The Lens profiles are part of the metadata for this camera and not an external profile we create.  We could review implementation of the embedded information if you have a sample file that demonstrates the deficiency.
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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LEGEND ,
Feb 13, 2019 Feb 13, 2019

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Thanks Rikk, this is most appreciated. Will be back with a sample file. Very kind offer indeed.

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New Here ,
May 04, 2019 May 04, 2019

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Using Camera Neutral Profile in Lightroom Classic CC 8.2.1 i still have the Magenta cast with the white balance presets different from "Original" when applied to outdoor landscapes NEF images of my Nikon Z6. I need a flat or neutral profile because i use a lot the highlights and shadows sliders to adjust high contrast scene images.

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New Here ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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With Camera Neutral Profile and my Nikon Z6 Nef files when i raise the whites slider (in Develop section) for example from 0 to +30 it happens that a cyan color cast appears in the sky of a landscape with blue sky. I found this problem in Lightroom Classic CC 8.2.1 as well as in older versions and also with older Nikon Cameras. The color of the sky looses its natural look.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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I suggest uploading a file that exhibits the issue to Dropbox or other file sharing site and copy the share link in a reply here. The V2 profiles are supposed to have fixed this issue so a file exhibiting the issue will help.

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Community Beginner ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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I am using two cameras (Nikon D750 and Z6) and had to delete all profiles from my presets. Otherwise my workflow does not work with Adobe Standard profiles. Isn't it possible to let Adobe Standard proper work with Z6 files?

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May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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This is the cyan cast with camera neutral v2 and whites raised to +70 (i exaggerated to make the issue visible)

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Guido, we really need to see an actual file. Even better Export one of the files with your settings to DNG file format as shown below. It will have your settings embedded so we can see what you see!

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New Here ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Sorry i don't have dropbox

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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You can get a free 2GB Dropbox account that requires no payments and no strings!

https://www.dropbox.com/basic

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May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1tlfejds4wy97k/GUI_1379.dng?dl=0  I've just uploaded the file to dropbox

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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I can confirm what you are seeing. It appears that the original Camera Neutral profile and new Camera Neutral V2 profile are identical and exhibit the same issue, but their 'As Shot' WB Temp and Tint values are different. The intent of the V2 profiles is to better match the LR WB Temp an Tint values so this is expected.

Camera Neutral profile As Shot WB:  4150, -26

Camera Neutral V2 profile As Shot WB:  4450, +18

Adjusting WB to the below values makes the Camera Neutral profile and new Camera Neutral V2 profile renderings appear the same, but with the a slight cyan color shift in the sky. This may be reflecting the actual in-camera matching profile rendering. The WB value differences are probably due to the in-camera 'Auto' WB setting being influenced by the large yellow-green foliage area. You also have the in-camera Active D-Lighting set to Extra High, which LR cannot read and apply. That will change the image appearance when compared to an in-camera JPEG, the raw file's embedded preview, or using Nikon's raw editing software. I suggest leaving the Active D-Lighting in-camera setting OFF.




Camera Neutral profile WB:       5500, -47

Camera Neutral V2 profile WB:  5500, +10

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Just one comment. With the Z6 and Z7, Lightroom actually does understand the active D-lighting settings. They are automatically applied by dialing in exposure compensation and highlights and shadows. This is done by the camera by writing camera raw xmp settings into the NEF files that are read and applied by Lightroom. These are the only current cameras where in-camera settings do transfer into Lightroom so in general you are right but not when it pertains to these two.

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May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Thank you Todd for the explanation and support

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Thanks for the correction Jao. The Nikon Z6 and Z7 are setting new ground when it comes to in-camera settings!

Guido, try using the Adobe Neutral or Adobe Standard V2 profile instead Camera Neutral V2. It doesn't appear to shift the sky color  toward cyan so may be a better choice for this image. You can also try using the Adjustment Brush to paint in some Dehaze in the distant mountain and sky areas. Use any of the other brush settings as needed to achieve the desired rendering.

This uses Adobe Neutral with an Adjustment Brush of Dehaze 35 in the sky and mountain area and your original settings. You can tweak the Basic panel controls to improve the overall rendering to your taste. The LR Dehaze control works miracles on pulling detail out of the haze!

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May 05, 2019 May 05, 2019

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Ok i will try thank you Todd

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Adobe Employee ,
May 07, 2019 May 07, 2019

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Thank you for uploading the file, we will verify this behavior with the attached image.
Venkatesh Penjuri
Adobe Lightroom Team

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