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InDesign fails to render glyphs in Khmer font -- that work in Microsoft Word

Explorer ,
Aug 15, 2019 Aug 15, 2019

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Have been asked to import text for the Cambodian translation of a fact sheet -- using the font Khmer OS_Content TTF.

Certain glyphs that do appear in Microsoft Word will NOT appear in Adobe InDesign CC 2015 for Windows or Adobe InDesign CC 2019 for Mac, They show up as dotted lines.

Have tried a number of paragraph and line import settings in Settings>Advanced Type>Default Composer including

  • Adobe World-Ready Single-line Composer
    Adobe World-Ready Paragraph Composer

Have also toggled off Missing Glyph Protection.

  • Protect While Typing
    Protect while applying fonts

to no avail.

Am pretty well stuck using INDD CC 2015 on a Windows machine using Windows 10 Enterprise.

Anyone know of a plugin or scripting routine  that would solve this problem, or a source for Khmer OS_Content that is compatible with Adobe applications?

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LEGEND , Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019
InDesign started out as the flagship application for promoting and showcasing Adobe's new OpenType format (in collaboration with Microsoft). Sadly, this initial impetus and the driving knowledge has slowly bled from Adobe. Currently Microsoft is the leading company that drives the development of OpenType forward.If you want to get your Khmer text correctly in InDesign, save it as PDF from Word and place it as an image.

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Guru ,
Aug 15, 2019 Aug 15, 2019

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Can you post a sample so we can try it. Just copy paste.

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Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019

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InDesign started out as the flagship application for promoting and showcasing Adobe's new OpenType format (in collaboration with Microsoft). Sadly, this initial impetus and the driving knowledge has slowly bled from Adobe. Currently Microsoft is the leading company that drives the development of OpenType forward.

If you want to get your Khmer text correctly in InDesign, save it as PDF from Word and place it as an image.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019

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In the InDesign UserVoice forum, it was reported by the product manager that better support for Khmer was "under review".

Khmer script justification is broken – Adobe InDesign Feedback

I believe you'll see this coming in the next release of InDesign. It requires the user of a software library called Harfbuzz:

HarfBuzz - Wikipedia 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019

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Yes, proper Glyph Shaping is one thing. But "better support" is something else yet -- it is not as if including Harfbuzz will solve all of these problems automatically.

These Khmer glyphs, for instance, probably go wrong because their specialized OpenType features do not work in InDesign. However, they are also only active under the language tag "Khmer". If Harfbuzz is to solve the shaping problem, you still need to be able to apply the correct language to the text as well.

A similar thing is Harfbuzz' AAT support. Yes: it means that InDesign finally is able to support Apple's Advanced Typography features, such as the ligatures and kerning in Skia, and even its variable Weight and Width axes. (Yes folks, this is a 1994 precursor to the new promoted "Variable Font" type!)

If such added features are not added to ID's interface, replacing the shaping engine is useless for all intents and purposes.

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Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019

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Time will tell!

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Explorer ,
Aug 16, 2019 Aug 16, 2019

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We're using a TrueType version of Khmer OS Content, not an Open Type version.  And, as my original posting mentioned, my large organization , with an enterprise license, seems stuck at InDesign CC 2015; have been told that they cannot and will not install newer versions.

Strangely enough, a document I produced last year  in the same version of InDesign  (2015) had no problems. But we were using a different translating firm, so I am thinking that the issue might be the source MS Word document whose text I'm trying to import. Maybe this year's firm used a different version of Khmer_OS than we have on our computer.

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dropout character in 2019 file with INDD CC 2015

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What it should look like. From 2018 file done in INDD CC 2015

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2019 Aug 18, 2019

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Tried it in a newer versiion of InDesign -- the latest one (CCC 2019) and the particular character still dropped out.

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Guru ,
Aug 18, 2019 Aug 18, 2019

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This is done in Indesign 2019 using Khmer OS Content version 6.00. Can you show your Paragraph Style Options? What language are you using in Advanced Character Formats. I'm using No Language

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2019 Aug 18, 2019

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Will need to do this on my work computer. At home, I have the latest

version of InDesign and I have rights to install or remove fonts.

At work, am limited to InDesign Creative Cloud 2015 -- and all software

updates have to come from an Information Services or Help Desk manager; I

don't have the right to download them myself. I also don't have the right

to install a different version of the font.

I still want to solve this, because I don't want to have to design an

InDesign publication in Microsoft Word just because Khmer won't work in

InDesign.

John

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:27 AM Ellis home <forums_noreply@adobe.com>

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Explorer ,
Aug 19, 2019 Aug 19, 2019

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Tried it in InDesign CC 2015 and did not solve the problem. Will try in a newer version of INDD, with No Language selected.

no language made easy.png

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LEGEND ,
Aug 19, 2019 Aug 19, 2019

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Are you using the same version of this font Khmer OS Contents as Ellis is using? Sometimes fonts get updated, and sometimes it's the update that breaks things that used to work. (Also, possibly Ellis' version is newer.)

Can you paste a piece of Khmer text in here so we can experiment with different versions of InDesign? Make sure it includes your not-working sequence.

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Explorer ,
Aug 20, 2019 Aug 20, 2019

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Hi, everyone. Because of where I work, face restrictions on being able to

send segments of the affected file — which is an unreleased draft. Will

have to see if I can recreate this error at home on a file that does not

belong to my employers and send excerpts from that.

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