P: Preset hover preview incorrect for Incremental Temperature / Tint

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LEGEND ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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[This bug still exists in LR 10.0. See here for sample images to test with:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-preset-hover-previe...]

 

The preview of a develop preset when hovering over it in the Presets panel is incorrect when the preset contains IncrementalTemperature and IncrementalTint values and the photo being edited is raw. To reproduce:

1. Open a non-raw in Develop and change Temp and Tint to +20.

2. Save a preset "Temp/Tint" with just White Balance checked.

3. Open a raw in Develop.

4. Hover the mouse over Temp/Tint and observe the change to the photo.

5. Click on Temp/Tint and observe there isn't any additional change to the photo (as expected).

6. Move the mouse pointer over the photo. Observe that the photo colors noticeably change.

7. Repeatedly move the mouse pointer back to over the Temp/Tint preset and then back over the photo and observe the change in colors.

Here's an example:

Original photo:


Develop Loupe view with mouse hovering over Temp/Tint preset:


Develop Loupe view after applying Temp/Tint preset with mouse over photo:


Tested on LR 8.4.1 / Mac OS 10.14.6 and Windows 10.

See here for the original report: 
https://community.adobe.com/t5/Lightroom-Classic/Issues-with-Preset-loupe-view-in-Lightroom/m-p/1068...

Here's another preset that exhibits similar symptoms, though it doesn't contain IncrementalTint/Temperature, but apparently only when applied to Canon EOS R raws:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-...

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LEGEND ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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John, you don't mention this, but it appears this issue is only present on Mac systems. I'm using a Windows 10 version 1902 system and following your seven step procedure I do not see any change in rendering.

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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So this is my post.... Everything is the same as the OP stated except all of my files were in the RAW format. Glad the OP brought this to attention over here as it seems like its the better place to get these bugs resolved.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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"all of my files were in the RAW format"

Right, the bug appears to only strike when previewing a preset on raw files. But the preset must be originally made from a non-raw (or manually edited).

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 22, 2019 Oct 22, 2019

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ahhh got ya. Thanks.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Hmm, I observe the same incorrect behavior in my LR 8.4.1 / Windows 10.  Can you post the contents of the preset's .xmp you created?

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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I made a video showing where the Bug is.
https://youtu.be/-gOiOzjgr6s

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Created using a Canon 5D MKII JPEG file and applied to the same CR2 raw file shot raw+JPEG. Here you go:

<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        ">
 <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:PresetType="Normal"
   crs:Cluster=""
   crs:UUID="F9FD8EF470DFCA48A53C50BC8FC62329"
   crs:SupportsAmount="False"
   crs:SupportsColor="True"
   crs:SupportsMonochrome="True"
   crs:SupportsHighDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsNormalDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsSceneReferred="True"
   crs:SupportsOutputReferred="True"
   crs:CameraModelRestriction=""
   crs:Copyright=""
   crs:ContactInfo=""
   crs:Version="11.4.1"
   crs:WhiteBalance="Custom"
   crs:IncrementalTemperature="+20"
   crs:IncrementalTint="+20"
   crs:HasSettings="True">
   <crs:Name>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Temp & Tint +20</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Name>
   <crs:ShortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:ShortName>
   <crs:SortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:SortName>
   <crs:Group>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Group>
   <crs:Description>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Description>
  </rdf:Description>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Your preset causes the misbehavior in my LR 8.4.1 on both Windows 10 and Mac OS 10.14.6.  So something else must account for the difference.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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I think you're experiencing a different bug, or some variant of the one reported above. For the recipe I provided, in my configurations, changing the Profile from Adobe Color to another profile (e.g. Adobe Monochrome or Adobe Vivid) and then back to Adobe Color restores the appearance to that after applying the preset and moving the mouse off of the preset, not to the hover preview.

Can you please right-click that preset to show it in Finder, then edit the .xmp in TextEdit and copy and paste the contents here?  I'd like to see what might account for the difference.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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I checked it with CR2 files from Canon camera models 300D, 600D, 6D, and G9 X MKII and they all exhibit the issue! For some reason the Canon 5D MKII CR2 files don't display the issue. You can download 5D MKII CR2 files to test here: https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D2/E5D2THMB.HTM

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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It is the same behavior as the original post.  When you hover over the preset everything looks normal until you select the preset and hover over the photo.  The photo turns noticeably more red.  

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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I see the misbehavior with this sample Canon 5D MKII raw:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D2/E5D2FARI00050.CR2.HTM

But it's barely noticeable. Here's the Photoshop difference of the hover and non-hover previews:



I set the whitepoint in Levels to 10 -- thus, most of the differences in the red channel are 1, 2, or 3 (out of 255).

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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But I don't observe what you observe with changing the profile from Adobe Color and back. That's why I'm wondering if there might be something different about the preset.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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John, I can confirm if 'Treatment & Profile' is checked when creating the WB Develop Preset with a JPEG file the rollover issue is no longer present. Also when applying it to a raw file it does NOT change the Treatment or Profile settings. That appears to be the easiest fix for now.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Hmm, I still see the misbehavior when Treatment & Profile is selected creating the preset.  Here's the preset:
<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        ">
 <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:PresetType="Normal"
   crs:Cluster=""
   crs:UUID="7555FE67FFDA49DB96C9097DFA1B697B"
   crs:SupportsAmount="False"
   crs:SupportsColor="True"
   crs:SupportsMonochrome="True"
   crs:SupportsHighDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsNormalDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsSceneReferred="True"
   crs:SupportsOutputReferred="True"
   crs:CameraModelRestriction=""
   crs:Copyright=""
   crs:ContactInfo=""
   crs:Version="11.4.1"
   crs:WhiteBalance="Custom"
   crs:IncrementalTemperature="+20"
   crs:IncrementalTint="+20"
   crs:ConvertToGrayscale="False"
   crs:CameraProfile="Embedded"
   crs:HasSettings="True">
   <crs:Name>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Temp/Tint +20, Profile</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Name>
   <crs:ShortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:ShortName>
   <crs:SortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:SortName>
   <crs:Group>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Group>
   <crs:Description>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Description>
   <crs:Look
    crs:Name=""/>
  </rdf:Description>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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I wonder why the 5D MKII so much less pronounced compared to other camera models?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Hmm, I still see the misbehavior when Treatment & Profile is selected creating the preset.
My bad! I created a new JPEG develop preset instead of modifying the existing preset and it does exhibit the rollover shift with 'Treatment & Profile' checked.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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To answer that, I think we'd need to understand how IncrementalTemperature/Tint get applied to raw photos.  

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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It happens to random presets.  I have 100s of presets I've created personally, some with Treatment & Profile checked and not checked.  The fact is, it's a BUG that needs to be addressed.  I've tried posting this elsewhere only to be reprimanded by the forum "Hall Monitors".  I make a living using Lightroom and I've paid Creative Cloud monthly for years now.  I just want to draw attention to the problem so I can get back to work without this BUG slowing my workflow to a crawl with my daily projects.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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Though there have been numerous reports of this bug on the user-to-user form for a while, unfortunately no one was advised to report it here.

But now that it's here, the more it can be narrowed down, the more likely Adobe will be to fix it sooner. Your video is a good demonstration of the problem.  And if you upload the contents of one or two of your presets that exhibit this problem, then it will be more likely that your instance of the problem gets addressed.  (I.e. if your problem isn't caused by IncrementalTemperature/Tint, and Adobe doesn't have any way to reproduce your problem, then it won't get fixed.)

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 23, 2019 Oct 23, 2019

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As requested, here is the preset used in the Video I posted earlier in this thread that exhibits the color shifting after applying the preset Bug.

<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        "> <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:PresetType="Normal"
   crs:Cluster=""
   crs:UUID="41498806AD2E4B4186FAFA3F06ED85AE"
   crs:SupportsAmount="False"
   crs:SupportsColor="True"
   crs:SupportsMonochrome="True"
   crs:SupportsHighDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsNormalDynamicRange="True"
   crs:SupportsSceneReferred="True"
   crs:SupportsOutputReferred="True"
   crs:CameraModelRestriction=""
   crs:Copyright=""
   crs:ContactInfo=""
   crs:Version="11.4.1"
   crs:ProcessVersion="11.0"
   crs:WhiteBalance="Custom"
   crs:Temperature="5246"
   crs:Tint="+3"
   crs:Saturation="-8"
   crs:Sharpness="52"
   crs:LuminanceSmoothing="0"
   crs:ColorNoiseReduction="25"
   crs:VignetteAmount="0"
   crs:ShadowTint="-9"
   crs:RedHue="+5"
   crs:RedSaturation="-24"
   crs:GreenHue="+9"
   crs:GreenSaturation="+5"
   crs:BlueHue="-18"
   crs:BlueSaturation="+45"
   crs:Vibrance="+30"
   crs:HueAdjustmentRed="+13"
   crs:HueAdjustmentOrange="0"
   crs:HueAdjustmentYellow="-5"
   crs:HueAdjustmentGreen="-19"
   crs:HueAdjustmentAqua="0"
   crs:HueAdjustmentBlue="0"
   crs:HueAdjustmentPurple="0"
   crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta="0"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed="0"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange="-24"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow="-31"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen="+6"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua="0"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue="+4"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple="-100"
   crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta="0"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed="-8"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange="-15"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow="-1"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen="0"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua="0"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue="0"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple="0"
   crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta="0"
   crs:SplitToningShadowHue="0"
   crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation="0"
   crs:SplitToningHighlightHue="69"
   crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation="12"
   crs:SplitToningBalance="0"
   crs:ParametricShadows="-18"
   crs:ParametricDarks="+24"
   crs:ParametricLights="0"
   crs:ParametricHighlights="0"
   crs:ParametricShadowSplit="25"
   crs:ParametricMidtoneSplit="50"
   crs:ParametricHighlightSplit="75"
   crs:SharpenRadius="+1.0"
   crs:SharpenDetail="25"
   crs:SharpenEdgeMasking="0"
   crs:PostCropVignetteAmount="-16"
   crs:PostCropVignetteMidpoint="50"
   crs:PostCropVignetteFeather="50"
   crs:PostCropVignetteRoundness="0"
   crs:PostCropVignetteStyle="1"
   crs:PostCropVignetteHighlightContrast="0"
   crs:GrainAmount="0"
   crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail="50"
   crs:ColorNoiseReductionSmoothness="50"
   crs:LensProfileEnable="1"
   crs:LensManualDistortionAmount="0"
   crs:PerspectiveVertical="0"
   crs:PerspectiveHorizontal="0"
   crs:PerspectiveRotate="0.0"
   crs:PerspectiveScale="100"
   crs:PerspectiveAspect="0"
   crs:PerspectiveUpright="0"
   crs:PerspectiveX="0.00"
   crs:PerspectiveY="0.00"
   crs:AutoLateralCA="1"
   crs:Exposure2012="+0.90"
   crs:Contrast2012="+51"
   crs:Highlights2012="-100"
   crs:Shadows2012="+43"
   crs:Whites2012="+21"
   crs:Blacks2012="-46"
   crs:Clarity2012="+21"
   crs:DefringePurpleAmount="0"
   crs:DefringePurpleHueLo="30"
   crs:DefringePurpleHueHi="70"
   crs:DefringeGreenAmount="0"
   crs:DefringeGreenHueLo="40"
   crs:DefringeGreenHueHi="60"
   crs:Dehaze="0"
   crs:Texture="-26"
   crs:OverrideLookVignette="True"
   crs:ToneCurveName="Custom"
   crs:ToneCurveName2012="Custom"
   crs:LensProfileSetup="Custom"
   crs:LensProfileName="Adobe (Sony FE 50mm F1.8)"
   crs:LensProfileFilename="SONY (Sony FE 50mm F1.8) - RAW.lcp"
   crs:LensProfileDigest="9AE4A323BA9A4C4460CE6BEF81D4F741"
   crs:LensProfileDistortionScale="100"
   crs:LensProfileChromaticAberrationScale="100"
   crs:LensProfileVignettingScale="0"
   crs:HasSettings="True"
   crs:CropConstrainToWarp="0">
   <crs:Name>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Gibson Silver</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Name>
   <crs:ShortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:ShortName>
   <crs:SortName>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:SortName>
   <crs:Group>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Gibson Sisters</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Group>
   <crs:Description>
    <rdf:Alt>
     <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default"/>
    </rdf:Alt>
   </crs:Description>
   <crs:ToneCurve>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>32, 22</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>64, 56</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>128, 128</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>192, 196</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
   </crs:ToneCurve>
   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 13</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>64, 65</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>174, 171</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
   </crs:ToneCurvePV2012>
   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Red>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
   </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Red>
   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Green>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
   </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Green>
   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blue>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
   </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blue>
   <crs:Look>
    <rdf:Description
     crs:Name="Adobe Color"
     crs:Amount="1.000000"
     crs:UUID="B952C231111CD8E0ECCF14B86BAA7077"
     crs:SupportsAmount="false"
     crs:SupportsMonochrome="false"
     crs:SupportsOutputReferred="false"
     crs:Stubbed="true">
    <crs:Group>
     <rdf:Alt>
      <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Profiles</rdf:li>
     </rdf:Alt>
    </crs:Group>
    </rdf:Description>
   </crs:Look>
  </rdf:Description>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>


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Community Beginner ,
Oct 24, 2019 Oct 24, 2019

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There seems to be several more than just me that has this problem. Do we know how much of an effort it would take to fix the bug? and when we might expected to be fixed?

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