P: Sync/copying a Local Adjust/Spot/Crop results in wrong size and position

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LEGEND ,
Jul 04, 2020 Jul 04, 2020

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[See here for a bug recipe for LR 10.2 that occurs with any in-camera rotated raw:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-synchronization-of-... -JRE]

 

1. Combine a sequence of 5 shots obtaining a DNG HDR with automatic alignment and low movement removal
2. Apply a radial filter to the DNG
3. Synchronize the DNG settings to apply them to the 5 original RAW shots
4. The radial filter on the RAW is of a different size and position than the original DNG from which it was synchronized

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 15, 2018 Feb 15, 2018

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Rikk, I found another bug with the Radial Filter control.

The below image has Spot Removal, Radial Filter, Adjustment Brush, and Graduated Filter applied (from Left to Right). The Crop Tool Angle control moves ALL of the Local controls with the image. The Transform Rotate control moves all of the Local controls except the Radial Filter. All of the Local Controls should remain fixed to their relative image bitmap position.



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Engaged ,
Jan 08, 2019 Jan 08, 2019

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Hello, can not reproduce this behavior LR Classic 8.1 on macOS 10.14.1 Imac 27 '' (late 2013).

Yves Crausaz, Suisse, retraité actif dans le monde de la photo et des arts graphiques.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2019 Jan 08, 2019

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I can reproduce it consistently and easily on Mac 10.13.6 and Lr 8.1.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 08, 2019 Jan 08, 2019

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Rikk, this issue is still present in LR 8.1 on my Windows 10 system.

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Jan 08, 2019 Jan 08, 2019

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LR Classic 8.1 on macOS 10.14.1 Imac 27 '' (late 2013). GPU active
Yves Crausaz, Suisse, retraité actif dans le monde de la photo et des arts graphiques.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2019 Jan 08, 2019

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You appear to be using the ANGLE tool in Crop where it works correctly.  Try ROTATE in Transform where is doesn't work for me and Todd.

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LEGEND ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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Rikk
This issue is still present in Lr9.2 on macOS 10.14.6

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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This issue is still present in LR 9.2......one year later!

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LEGEND ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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Todd
Unfortunately!!!!     I consider this a bug that should have a higher priority but apparently it is not in Adobe Land.

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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Todd & Robert, there are only 2 Me-toos in 2 years and one of those is from Adobe Staff.  That probably helps to explain the time gap since reporting.

The issue is still open in our system and a fix is planned for an upcoming release. There is no ETA. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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LEGEND ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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Rikk
I realize there are only a few me-toos on this but I still feel this particular bug should rate a higher priority for the following reasons.

1.  I suspect the Rotation slider in the Transform panel is not used much (I might be wrong) and when it is used the value is many times relatively small.  The non-rotation of the Radial Filter probably goes unnoticed by most but the error is still there in a carefully crafted Radial Filter.  People not noticing this probably accounts for the low me-toos.   

2. There is NO workaround except to reedit the radial filter.  Unfortunately there is an issue with reediting the Radial Filter if you use a brush to modify the Radial Filter MASK.

Radial Filter with Brush modification (UnRotated)



Radial Filter with Brush modification  (Rotate with Transform)

The Radial doesn't rotate but its modification does.  There is not and easy workaround for this issue.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 13, 2020 Feb 13, 2020

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Rikk, if it were a Feature Request I'd agree with you. Clearly this is a major implementation oversight even though most users may not realize it. You say, "A fix is planned, but there is no ETA." What's the threshold required for Adobe to fix it?

As these types of "Acknowledged" issues are left dangling LR Classic becomes an albatross collecting multiple errors that will unquestionably frustrate more and more users. We've provided our support gratis by providing detailed reports of these issues. Implementing them should be Adobe's first priority.

New features added such as the recent 9.2 'Raw Default Settings' changes can wait! In fact I (and others) prefer the previous implementation and question what "new" benefits it provides. This capability was present in LR 9.1 and earlier versions using the Develop module ALT + RESET 'Default Develop Settings' editing function.

Rikk, I appreciate your support and don't mean to shoot the messenger. I'm commenting here in the hopes you will bring it to the attention of the appropriate Adobe staff who can address these issues. Thank you!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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LEGEND ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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I agree Todd.  A couple of releases where Adobe just concentrates on bug fixes would be great.  Clean up the code and then start adding/improving things.  Unfortunately that probably wouldn't fly with the bean counters.  

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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@todd, A note about the Raw Defaults feature work currently underway specifically referring to your comment “New features added such as the recent 9.2 'Raw Default Settings' changes can wait!”

Raw Defaults is a desired feature not only in Lightroom Classic but across the breadth of Adobe Photography Products. In order to deploy to additional clients in future updates, work had to be done to Camera Raw to prepare for deployment in the Lightroom Ecosystem. Unfortunately the existing Lightroom Classic deployment of default edit settings was not compatible.  To eventually deploy across the Ecosystem, it was necessary to modify Lightroom Classic in sync with Camera Raw. 

That said, feedback about functionality and UI are always welcome -but probably not best discussed deep in a thread about a Radial Filter bug.

I reviewed the notes on the bug and it does not appear to be an oversight as you suspected. The rotation is actually happening but happening wrongly and differently depending upon the location of the Radial on the image.  I have tickled the bug a bit to see if we can get it bumped in priority - but,as you say, I am the messenger. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Engaged ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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J'ai enfin compris le problème, Fonction "Transformation / Rotation manuelle", pareil pour moi sur macOS 10.15.3, LR Classic 9.2 et CameraRaw 12.2.

I finally understood problem, Function ' Transform / manual Rotation ', the similar for me on macOS 10.15.3, LR Classic 9.2 and CameraRaw 12.2.

Yves Crausaz, Suisse, retraité actif dans le monde de la photo et des arts graphiques.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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Thanks Rikk–Much appreciated. I was afraid that was the case and now understand the need to change the current 'Default Develop Settings' interface. The release notes do not state that and in fact in insinuate it is a new feature. "With this release, we have added the ability to easily configure default settings for raw images in Lightroom Classic."
It would have helped if that was explained in more detail in the release notes AND if the 9.2 installer contained a subroutine to automatically create and assign camera specific presets for the Camera Raw Defaults based on the user's current settings (if present). Doing that AFTER the 9.2 update is much more difficult since there's no way of invoking and then reading the original defaults (i.e. Reset button). I think that caught a lot users off-guard, self included. Also the ability to create ISO dependent default settings is now much more difficult and  requires manually editing the presets with a text editor.
I don't use ISO dependent default settings and creating new presets for my five camera models wasn't that difficult. I have a 2nd system still running LR 9.1, which made it easier to record and copy over my default develop settings to new presets for my Raw Defaults. For may other users that's not the case!

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Engaged ,
Feb 14, 2020 Feb 14, 2020

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Mais que fait cette remarque dans ce fil de question, ici il s'agit d'un problème avec la fonction Transformation et le filtre circulaire qui ne tourne pas avec la transformation ????

But what does this remark in this question thread, here it is a problem with the Transformation function and the circular filter which does not rotate with the transformation ????


Yves Crausaz, Suisse, retraité actif dans le monde de la photo et des arts graphiques.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 15, 2020 Feb 15, 2020

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Sorry for the confusion. That was a response to prioritize bug fixes over new features. The example given is the LR 9.2 change to the Default Develop settings (Raw Defaults) listed as a new feature. That is NOT a new LR Classic feature, but in fact was done to enable adding that capability to the whole LR ecosystem (LR Desktop, Mobile & Web).

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LEGEND ,
Jul 04, 2020 Jul 04, 2020

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I’ve had this problem for a long time too. Looking forward to seeing the replies.

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Enthusiast ,
Jul 14, 2020 Jul 14, 2020

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This is a known issue and we have a bug filed for it. Thank you for the report. 

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LEGEND ,
Mar 28, 2021 Mar 28, 2021

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I have noticed since this latest update (10.2 Build 202103041821-226a1211) that if you draw a graduated filter with an non cropped, non rotated image, then rotate the image, copy and paste the settings to another non cropped, non rotated image, the graduated filter moves to where the graduated filter ends up on the cropped and rotated image. 

 

Rather than keeping the graduated filter in the same place in relation to the original image size, Lightroom is now orienting the copied graduated filter to where the edge of the image is after being cropped or rotated. This is very inconvenient especially when editing many images and you want the graduated filters to stay in the same place in relation to the original image size as it used to be.

 

With this as it is, you can end up with huge graduated filters that will keep getting larger and larger depending on how you crop or rotate images. 

 

I'm going to figure out how to go back to the previous update until this issue is resolved. I have uploaded a screen recording showing what is happening for additional information.

 

My Computer info is:

OS: Big Sur Version 11.0.1

Processor 2.3 GHz 8 core intel i9

Memory: 16GB 2267 MHz DDR4

Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 5600M 8 GB

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LEGEND ,
Apr 19, 2021 Apr 19, 2021

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- I edited a photo in LR Classic.

- Along the way, I created a virtual copy, where I changed some local edits.

- When I was satisfied with the result, I wanted to copy all settings from the virtual copy and paste it onto the original photo, so I could delete the virtual copy.

- Here, the problem happens: Settings are pasted, but some local edits (I identified spot removal and radial filter, but didn't check the location of every single local adjustment) are pasted in the wrong position or with the wrong dimensions.

- I made sure to select EVERYTHING in the Copy/Paste dialog.

- I have encountered the same bug some weeks ago with another image, where local edits (in that case a brush adjustment) were pasted in a slightly wrong position.

If needed, I can of course provide screenshots of the edits in the correct and wrong places.

Technical details:

- Both edited images were *.ARW files from the Sony A7 III

- Adobe Lightroom Classic 10.2 (Build 202103041821-226a1211)

- macOS 11.2.3 (Big Sur) on a MacBook Pro Mid 2014

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Explorer ,
Apr 19, 2021 Apr 19, 2021

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A more better way of promoting the virtual copy to be the master is to use the Library module's Photo menu > Set Copy as Master function. To use, select the virtual copy to be exchanged with the master and click Set Copy as Master. The virtual copy's settings are now affixed to the master image while the original master image's settings belong to the virtual copy.

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Adobe Employee ,
Apr 19, 2021 Apr 19, 2021

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Another consideration:

Is the Virtual Copy the same size as the original?  Have you cropped it? Transformed it? etc?

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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